Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Patrick J. Emsweller" <patrick AT clubgraves.com>]

I just happened to recall that image and where it was located.  I have two
books on Egypt "The Oxford History on Ancient Egypt" and "Chronicles of the
Pharaohs".  Both have accounts of Sheshonq I and a picture of the relief at
Karnak and I have to admit I don't see any picture of the Ark of the
Covenant.........nor anything looking like an ark.  **shrug**  Nor do the
captions state of such a scene etched into the wall.  Sorry that I'm little
help.

-patrick 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Segall [mailto:segall AT umich.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 7:57 PM
To: Patrick J. Emsweller
Cc: 'b-hebrew'
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Stone slab replacing the Ark of the Covenant

This is not an image of the wall carving at Karnak depicting the Egyptian 
victory over the Kingdom of Judah.

On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Patrick J. Emsweller wrote:

>
> Image of the Egyptian Ark.
>
> http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/emec/img/03300.jpg
>
> -patrick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Segall
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:06 PM
> To: Brian Roberts
> Cc: b-hebrew
> Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Stone slab replacing the Ark of the Covenant
>
> I have seen a picture of the image, but I do not have a copy. If anyone
> knows where a copy is available I would like to know.
>
> On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Brian Roberts wrote:
>
>> Stephen;
>>
>> Can you provide us with an image of the Karnak inscription that you say
>> depicts the Ark of the Covenant?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 2, 2005, at 03:21  PM, Stephen Segall wrote:
>>
>>> What happened to the Ark of the Covenant? After the death of King
Solomon
>>> his son Rehoboam became king. The 10 northern tribes revolted against
>>> Rehoboam and formed their own separate kingdom. Rehoboam's troops
refused
>>> to fight against their fellow Israelites, so Rehoboam was left with a
>>> small fraction of the population and a fraction of the land of Solomon's
>>> original kingdom.
>>>
>>> This was a tempting target for the king of Egypt who attacked and
overran
>>> the truncated Kingdom of Judah. To prevent a siege of Jerusalem,
Rehoboam
>>> agreed to let the Egyptians loot Jerusalem and leave without a fight.
> This
>>> Egyptian victory was commemorated on a temple wall at Karnak. The wall
>>> carving shows Egyptian soldiers carrying away the Ark of the Covenant.
>>>
>>> While some may argue that just because the ark being taken away by the
>>> Egyptians exactly matches the Ark described in the Torah, it might just
> be
>>> a chest with carrying rails. This is highly unlikely, since the
magnitude
>>> of the Egyptian victory could best be demonstrated by showing that they
>>> were carrying off the Judeans most prize possession. It is like saying
>>> that the menorah being carried away by Roman soldiers on the arch of
> Titus
>>> could have been any menorah and not the one from the Second Temple.
>>>
>>> Rehoboam and the Temple priests tried to hide the loss of the Ark from
> the
>>> population, since admitting the Egyptians had taken the Ark was
> tantamount
>>> to admitting that God had abandoned the Kingdom of Judah. The secret
> could
>>> be kept for generations since only the Hign Priest was allowed to enter
>>> the Holy of Holies in the Temple.
>>>
>>> The phrase in the Book of Kings about Josiah ordering the Levites to
>>> return the Ark of the Covenant to the Temple appears to be an
>>> embellishment to the story of the Passover celebration ordered by
Josiah,
>>> since no action was taken to execute this command.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Alexander Oldernes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe your expertise can help me with this question...
>>>>
>>>> I have read somewhere that when the curtain covering the entrance to
the
>>>> Most Holy was torn in two, in the first century CE, the Most Holy was
>>>> exposed containing no Ark of the Covenant. In place of the Ark was a
> stone
>>>> slab upon which the high priest sprinkled the blood on the Day of
>>>> Atonement.
>>>>
>>>> I know the last mention of the Ark of the Covenant is in 2. Chronicles
>>>> 35:5,
>>>> saying:
>>>> He said to the Levites, who instructed all Israel and who had been
>>>> consecrated to YHWH: "Put the sacred ark in the temple that Solomon son
> of
>>>> David king of Israel built. It is not to be carried about on your
>>>> shoulders."
>>>>
>>>> This happened around 642 (?) BCE.
>>>>
>>>> And now the question...
>>>> Do we know that the Ark of the Covenant was replaced by a stone slab?
>>>>
>>>> If so...
>>>> Who writes about it?
>>>> Do we know when this was done?
>>>> Do we know what the stone slab looked like?
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>> Alexander Oldernes
>>>>
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>> Best Salaams,
>>
>> R. Brian Roberts
>> Amateur Researcher in Biblical Archaeology
>>
>>
>>
>>
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