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["George Athas" <gathas AT hotkey.net.au>]

If the picture which Patrick sent the link for 
(http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/emec/img/03300.jpg) is not from Bubastis, 
can someone tell us where it is from, and what it is depicting?

Best regards,

GEORGE ATHAS
Lecturer in Biblical Languages
Southern Cross College
Sydney, Australia


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Patrick J. Emsweller 
  To: 'b-hebrew' 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Stone slab replacing the Ark of the Covenant



  Image of the Egyptian Ark.

  http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/emec/img/03300.jpg

  -patrick

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  [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Segall
  Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 6:06 PM
  To: Brian Roberts
  Cc: b-hebrew
  Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Stone slab replacing the Ark of the Covenant

  I have seen a picture of the image, but I do not have a copy. If anyone 
  knows where a copy is available I would like to know.

  On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Brian Roberts wrote:

  > Stephen;
  >
  > Can you provide us with an image of the Karnak inscription that you say 
  > depicts the Ark of the Covenant?
  >
  >
  > On Tuesday, August 2, 2005, at 03:21  PM, Stephen Segall wrote:
  >
  >> What happened to the Ark of the Covenant? After the death of King Solomon
  >> his son Rehoboam became king. The 10 northern tribes revolted against
  >> Rehoboam and formed their own separate kingdom. Rehoboam's troops refused
  >> to fight against their fellow Israelites, so Rehoboam was left with a
  >> small fraction of the population and a fraction of the land of Solomon's
  >> original kingdom.
  >> 
  >> This was a tempting target for the king of Egypt who attacked and overran
  >> the truncated Kingdom of Judah. To prevent a siege of Jerusalem, Rehoboam
  >> agreed to let the Egyptians loot Jerusalem and leave without a fight.
  This
  >> Egyptian victory was commemorated on a temple wall at Karnak. The wall
  >> carving shows Egyptian soldiers carrying away the Ark of the Covenant.
  >> 
  >> While some may argue that just because the ark being taken away by the
  >> Egyptians exactly matches the Ark described in the Torah, it might just
  be
  >> a chest with carrying rails. This is highly unlikely, since the magnitude
  >> of the Egyptian victory could best be demonstrated by showing that they
  >> were carrying off the Judeans most prize possession. It is like saying
  >> that the menorah being carried away by Roman soldiers on the arch of
  Titus
  >> could have been any menorah and not the one from the Second Temple.
  >> 
  >> Rehoboam and the Temple priests tried to hide the loss of the Ark from
  the
  >> population, since admitting the Egyptians had taken the Ark was
  tantamount
  >> to admitting that God had abandoned the Kingdom of Judah. The secret
  could
  >> be kept for generations since only the Hign Priest was allowed to enter
  >> the Holy of Holies in the Temple.
  >> 
  >> The phrase in the Book of Kings about Josiah ordering the Levites to
  >> return the Ark of the Covenant to the Temple appears to be an
  >> embellishment to the story of the Passover celebration ordered by Josiah,
  >> since no action was taken to execute this command.
  >> 
  >> On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, Alexander Oldernes wrote:
  >> 
  >>> Maybe your expertise can help me with this question...
  >>> 
  >>> I have read somewhere that when the curtain covering the entrance to the
  >>> Most Holy was torn in two, in the first century CE, the Most Holy was
  >>> exposed containing no Ark of the Covenant. In place of the Ark was a
  stone
  >>> slab upon which the high priest sprinkled the blood on the Day of 
  >>> Atonement.
  >>> 
  >>> I know the last mention of the Ark of the Covenant is in 2. Chronicles 
  >>> 35:5,
  >>> saying:
  >>> He said to the Levites, who instructed all Israel and who had been
  >>> consecrated to YHWH: "Put the sacred ark in the temple that Solomon son
  of
  >>> David king of Israel built. It is not to be carried about on your
  >>> shoulders."
  >>> 
  >>> This happened around 642 (?) BCE.
  >>> 
  >>> And now the question...
  >>> Do we know that the Ark of the Covenant was replaced by a stone slab?
  >>> 
  >>> If so...
  >>> Who writes about it?
  >>> Do we know when this was done?
  >>> Do we know what the stone slab looked like?
  >>> 
  >>> ----
  >>> 
  >>> Alexander Oldernes
  >>> 
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  > Best Salaams,
  >
  > R. Brian Roberts
  > Amateur Researcher in Biblical Archaeology
  >
  >
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Hello all,

For those interested and curious, the following are images of the 
Shoshenq/Sheshonq/Shishaq lists at Karnak:

http://home-3.tiscali.nl/~meester7/teksjesjonk.gif
http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/images/kgshesh.jpg
http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/images/shiisr.jpg
http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/images/megprisoner.jpg
http://fontes.lstc.edu/~rklein/images/megcartouch.jpg
http://www.bibleplaces.com/images/Bubastite_Portal_with_Shishaks_City_List_tb_n110500.jpg

I fail to see the "ark" but it's possible I'm just not finding a
picture of the proper location.

Yitzhak Sapir