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[George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>]

On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:33:03 +0100 Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
writes:
> Can someone enlighten me on the chronological implications of 1 
> Samuel 
> 7:2, in context? Should the last part of the verse, and the 
> subsequent 
> events, be understood as following the start of the 20 year period, 
> or 
> following the end of it? Or is it ambiguous?
> 
> -- 
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
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Going a bit further in the passage:

?????????????? ?????????????? ????????????????????? ?????????????????
???????? ??????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ???????????? ?????
????????? ???????? ????????????? ?????????? ??????????? ???????????
?????????????? 
WaY.iQ.fB:CW. HaM.iC:P.fTfH WaY.i$:):aBW._MaYiM . . .

This is the only instance of a ritual of water pouring that I can recall
aside from Nu 5.16 ff. to which I don't see it as being related.  Does
anyone have any insight on this?

george
gfsomsel
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From: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] 1 Samuel 7:2
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  The text is quite clear:   " miyyom shevet haaron b'qiryat y'arim..." etc 
that the subsequent events took place, that is, it was the start of the 20 
years mentioned.
 
   Uri

Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:
Can someone enlighten me on the chronological implications of 1 Samuel 
7:2, in context? Should the last part of the verse, and the subsequent 
events, be understood as following the start of the 20 year period, or 
following the end of it? Or is it ambiguous?

-- 
Peter Kirk
peter AT qaya.org (personal)
peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
http://www.qaya.org/



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On Tue, 17 May 2005 08:53:25 -0400 George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>
writes:
> On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:33:03 +0100 Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
> writes:
> > Can someone enlighten me on the chronological implications of 1 
> > Samuel 
> > 7:2, in context? Should the last part of the verse, and the 
> > subsequent 
> > events, be understood as following the start of the 20 year 
> period, 
> > or 
> > following the end of it? Or is it ambiguous?
> > 
> > -- 
> > Peter Kirk
> > peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> > peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> > http://www.qaya.org/
> _________________
> 
> Going a bit further in the passage:
> 
> ?????????????? ?????????????? ????????????????????? 
> ?????????????????
> ???????? ??????? ????????????? ????????? ??????? ???????????? ?????
> ????????? ???????? ????????????? ?????????? ??????????? ???????????
> ?????????????? 
> WaY.iQ.fB:CW. HaM.iC:P.fTfH WaY.i$:):aBW._MaYiM . . .
> 
> This is the only instance of a ritual of water pouring that I can 
> recall
> aside from Nu 5.16 ff. to which I don't see it as being related.  
> Does
> anyone have any insight on this?
> 
> george
> gfsomsel
> ___________
> _______________________________________________

I did neglect to mention Lam 2.19 where  it reads

$iPKiY KaM.aYiM LiB."K: NoKaT P.;N"Y ):aDoNaY

I don't think the incident at Mt Carmel with Elijah has any bearing (some
consider it to be homeopathic induction of rain though I don't agree). 
Perhaps closer might be the Deuteronomic injunction to pour out the blood
of a slain animal upon the ground in Dt 12. 24

(aL_Hf)fReC Ti$:P.:KeN.W. K.aM.fYiM

Could the pouring of water then be a ritual shedding of tears?

george
gfsomsel
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