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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: "Heard, Christopher" <Christopher.Heard AT pepperdine.edu>
- Cc: b-hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?
- Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 12:57:06 +0100
On 25/04/2005 02:08, Heard, Christopher wrote:
... Outside of Psalm 21 (LXX, = MT, EVV Psalm 22), there is no biblically (or, as far as I know, nonbiblical) attested use of orussw to mean "to pierce," especially "to pierce" living flesh as opposed to inanimate matter. Neither is there any such attestation for Hebrew karah. ...
This may be true of the Greek ORUSSW, but it is not true of the Hebrew KRH. This Hebrew verb is used in Psalm 40:7 (v.6 in English versions), )FZ:NAIYM K.FRIYTF L.IY, literally "you dug ears for me". I accept that the meaning of this is rather obscure, and it is not helped by the LXX (39:7) KATHRTISW "you prepared". But the meaning probably relates either to ear piercing as in Exodus 21:6 (Hebrew RC(, found only here in the Hebrew Bible) or to God forming the ear cavity in the body - so both a matter of piercing living flesh.
... Both Greek orussw and Hebrew karah I (normally) take objects that name empty spaces--wells, pits, holes, graves--_not_ the matter from which those spaces were hollowed out. (Even Ezekiel 8:8 is no exception to this ...
This might be an argument that KRH in Psalm 40 refers to forming the ear rather than piercing it.
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[b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Walter R. Mattfeld, 04/24/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Dave Washburn, 04/24/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Heard, Christopher, 04/24/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Peter Kirk, 04/25/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?, Heard, Christopher, 04/26/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Peter Kirk, 04/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Steve Miller, 04/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Dave Washburn, 04/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Steve Miller, 04/25/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?, Dave Washburn, 04/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Steve Miller, 04/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Dave Washburn, 04/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Heard, Christopher, 04/24/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?, Heard, Christopher, 04/24/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?, Schmuel, 04/24/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?, Karl Randolph, 04/25/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?, Steve Miller, 04/25/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?, Heard, Christopher, 04/26/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] karu or ka'ari (Ps 22:16) ?,
Dave Washburn, 04/24/2005
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