Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote: 
On 27/01/2005 22:57, Uri Hurwitz wrote:

> Hi Brian, if you recheck your sources you'll see that David does not at all 
> mean "champion"; this is simply a conjecture derived from a non-Semitic 
> language, and has not been substantiated., Nobody knows what the name 
> means; the two other possibilities from the HB do not make sense.
> 
>

Doesn't it make sense to derive the name DWD (sometimes DWYD) from the 
well-attested root DWD/YDD "love", so that it is effectively a doublet 
of the common noun DWD (pronounced dod) "beloved, uncle"? I agree that 
this derivation is not certain, but it does seem to make sense.

     

----In that case one would expect some a theophoric PN such as either * DWD)L 
 or 

   *)LDWD or the attested Yedidyah.          This  or other possibilities 
such as as "pot, big kettle"  or "uncle" are unacceptable; or uncertain as 
you agreee.

> Solomon is derived from the root peace ( the same you use, in the Arabic 
> pl.form, in the closing of your letters!).

    ----my aside in parenthesis was a direct result of the devil causing me 
to misremember Brian's customary closing incorrectly as "salamat", which is 
the regular fem. plural ending in Arabic.

    --- Let me hasten to add here that the original meaning of $LM is" 
wholeness, completeness", and  "peace" is a scondarey derivatioin.
> 

> 
> No matter how the slightly different narratives developed around Goliat in 
> Samuel and Chronicles, in the both he is described hailing from Gath, one 
> of the Philistine pentapolis centers. I don't see therefore the need for 
> Goliat one, and Goliat two.
> 
> 
>
I think there is some confusion here between Karl and Brian, compounded 
by a failure to recognise that in every case (1 Samuel 17:4, 2 Samuel 
21:19, 1 Chronicles 20:5) Goliath is said to be from Gath (or 
equivalently a Gittite). 

     ---- that was my point exactly, but obviously we interpret the same 
point differently, my view is quoted in the previous mailing  above.      

      ---- further, sorry if I confused Karl and Brian mailings, both clearly 
distinct individuals , as were David and Elhanan.

      Uri 

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On 28/01/2005 16:00, Uri Hurwitz wrote:

>
>
> */Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>/* wrote:
>
>     ...
>     Doesn't it make sense to derive the name DWD (sometimes DWYD) from
>     the
>     well-attested root DWD/YDD "love", so that it is effectively a
>     doublet
>     of the common noun DWD (pronounced dod) "beloved, uncle"? I agree
>     that
>     this derivation is not certain, but it does seem to make sense.
>
>         
>
>     ----In that case one would expect some a theophoric PN such as
>     either * DWD)L  or
>
>        *)LDWD or the attested Yedidyah. ...
>

Well, maybe, but there are other attested cases of what were presumably 
originally theophoric names of this kind which have lost their 
theophoric elements. I can think immediately of Nathan, presumably an 
abbreviation of Nathan'el or Nathanyahu. There are many others. So why 
not David?

-- 
Peter Kirk
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