Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>]

Brian:

Who's "inventing" a second Goliath? Do you mean to imply that it was 
impossible for two distinctly different people to share the same name, in 
this case Goliath?

The stories of the killings are so different that it raises more questions to 
combine them than to allow that two different individuals shared the same 
name. The first was years before David ascended the throne, the second after 
David was aging and declining in strength, the first David stepped boldly out 
where the army feared to tread, the second after the army commanded David not 
to step out on the field of battle, and so forth. Is it possible that the 
second Golaith was a son of the first? It sounds as if enough years passed 
between the two killings to make it possible.

Just as in my family I had an uncle and have a cousin who have the same first 
and last names as I, so I have no trouble in allowing the text to speak for 
itself, that there were two different individuals who shared the same name, 
and probably from the same family where it is possible that the second was 
named after the first.

Karl W. Randolph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Roberts" <formoria AT carolina.rr.com>

> 
> Karl,
> 
> Which, then is the more unnecessary  conclusion? Conflating Elhanan 
> with David or speculating on two Goliaths? Do we have evidence of 
> two Goliaths? Is the second form simply not  a more precise way of 
> saying the first? In other words, Gath was a Philistine city, so 
> where is the need to invent a second Goliath?
> 
> Best Salaams,
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> On Thursday, January 27, 2005, at 12:50  PM, Karl Randolph wrote:
> 
> > Brian:
> >
> > Have you ever considered that there may have been two different 
> > giants with the same name?
> >
> > In 1 Samuel 17 the giant was called "Goliath the Philistine".
> >
> > In 2 Samuel 21 a list of four giants from Gath are mentioned, one 
> > of whom was named "Goliath of Gath". Not only is this second 
> > Goliath given a different handle, but the battle in which he is 
> > killed is different, in time, place, and circumstance.
> >
> > Thus there is no need to try to conflate David with Elhanen.
> >
> > Karl W. Randolph.
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