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- From: "David Kummerow" <farmerjoeblo AT hotmail.com>
- To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8
- Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:46:17 +1000
Dear Clay,
Personally, I think you've identified the big problem with Chomskyian grammar and why I don't like it myself: it neglects the distributional syntactic data that doesn't fit with the "theory".
But watch that you aren't setting up a straw man with Holmstedt. Prior to the Proverbs work he did an analysis of every clauses in *Genesis*. See pp. 126-159 of his dissertation avalible here:
http://www.uwm.edu/%7Erdholmst/HolmstedtDissertation.pdf
He says the the Proberbs research confirmed his conclusions from Genesis.
Regards,
David Kummerow.
From: "C. Stirling Bartholomew" <jacksonpollock AT earthlink.net>
To: David Kummerow <farmerjoeblo AT hotmail.com>,<b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:55:02 -0700
On 10/5/04 11:27 PM, "David Kummerow" <farmerjoeblo AT hotmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, Holmstedt is one of the few who *does* argue for a S-V order for
> BH.
That's right, and using Proverbs* as a database. A brilliant move, like
writing a syntax of the Greek clause based on the choruses of Euripides.
On another front, Holmstedt has taken the notion of "eclectic" to new
levels. In Fronting** he advocates the marriage of heaven and hell, Prague
and MIT. Using Chomsky minimalism (?) for syntax and pragmatics for
information structure.
The second part of Fronting* on pragmatics is a good read. The first part
leaves me wondering what Late-Chomsky has to offer for the study of Hebrew
or any other natural language. Once we get past the terminology problem, we
find a nice logical model that has a way of ignoring unwelcome data by
inventing new rules. If we have to choose (do we?) I would rather run with
S. Dik or even Halliday. But since eclecticism is the current rage, I
suspect we will have to give MIT a place at the table.
greetings,
Clay Bartholomew
*Word Order and Information Structure in Proverbs
Robert D. Holmstedt University of Wisconsin Milwaukee
http://www.uwm.edu/%7Erdholmst/ProverbsSBL2003.pdf
**The Syntax and Pragmatics of ³Fronting² in Biblical Hebrew1
Robert D. Holmstedt University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
(Draft 1/03)
http://www.uwm.edu/%7Erdholmst/FrontingSBLMW2000.pdf
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Re: [b-hebrew] knowledge of language versus language use (was Pronoun )nky in Judg 6:8)
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- Re: [b-hebrew] knowledge of language versus language use (was Pronoun )nky in Judg 6:8), Robert Holmstedt, 10/09/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/09/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
MarianneLuban, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
MarianneLuban, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
MarianneLuban, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, MarianneLuban, 10/06/2004
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[b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
David Kummerow, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/07/2004
- [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, David Kummerow, 10/07/2004
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