Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

The answer to your question IMHO is:"none", however it would be better that 
an Egyptologist would answer this; it seems to me in this list only Marrianne 
Luban would fit in this category, but I aplogize if I left somebody out (Joe 
Baker?)
 
Uri

Jack Kilmon <jkilmon AT historian.net> wrote:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Kirk" 

To: "Joe Baker" 
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] The Exodus' mention in Egyptian Annals ?


> For completeness, here is a list of the 18th-20th dynasty and some later
> Pharaohs and events dated by Rohl in "From Eden to Exile"
>
> Ahmose 1202-
> Eruption of Thera and expulsion of the Hyksos 1192
> Amenhotep I 1178-1158
> ...
> Thutmose III 1134-
> Amenhotep II 1087-1057
> Thutmose IV 1057-1048
> Amenhotep III 1048-1012
> Akhenaten 1023-1007
> Neferneferuaten (=Nefertiti) = Smenkhkare 1011-1000
> Tutankhamun 1007-998
> Ay 998-987
> Haremheb 990-
>
> Rameses I 962-
> Seti I 961-943
> Rameses II 943-877
> Merenptah 888(co-regent)-877
> Amenmesse 877-873 (= Osarsiph, usurper backed by Asiatics)
> Seti II ??-873
> Siptah 873-868
> Tausert 868-865 (regent from 873)
>
> Setnakht 865-859
> Rameses III 863-832
> ...
> "Repeating of Births" 829-820
> Rameses XI -after 813
>
> Shoshenk I 822-
> ...
> Osorkon II 784-760
> ...
> Shoshenk III 758-720 (= So)
>
> Piankhy 720-690
> Shabataka -684
> Taharka 690-665
> ...
> Necho II 611-596


I am wondering how much credence the Rohl chronology (which I do not accept)
is given in the academic ANE and Egyptological community.

Jack Kilmon

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sorry about the misunderstanding: I have not reacted to your comments, but 
specifically to the inaccurate translation of the discussed biblical phrase. 
The words "He  Alone"-- or any equivalent --are simply not found in the 
Hebrew original, and not required for clarity or comprhension in English.
 
 I'd be curious to hear your, or anyones, comment on this.
 
URI  
 
Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:
On 30/08/2004 17:31, Uri Hurwitz wrote:

>Peter Kirk 
wrote:
>
> 1 Kings 12:33, "on the fifteenth day of the eighth month, in the month 
>that HE ALONE HAD DEVISED". 
>
>A more accurate translation of the highlighted biblical words above -- )a$er 
>bada)
>milibo -- would be "that he had invented in his heart" ; the same phrase 
>occurs also in Neh. 6:8.
> 
>BD -- "empty, idle, (invented) talk" as in Job 11:3 and elsewhere may well 
>originate from the above.
> 
> 
>
I should have said that I was quoting NRSV. Anyway, the point seems 
clear, that Jeroboam had decided for himself on the date of this feast, 
and that it was not (in the view of the Deuteronomic author) one of the 
feasts prescribed by YHWH.


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Clay Bartholomew: 
 
<<
This is an intriguing approach. I perhaps grasp about 60% of what you  are
doing here. You are teaching your students to do semantic analysis  rather
than play the game of pin the category on the  constituent.



>>
 
The theory is not merely semantic analysis, but transformational  grammar at 
the text level with semantic restraints. It assumes that the genitive  noun 
phrase (N2) that modifies the head noun (N1) is the remnant  of a dependent 
clause (S) about N1 and N2 that defines the semantic  relationship between 
the 
two. 
 
The rule needs to be expanded to include an understood  deletion/substitution 
transformation T(ds) that deletes all  unnecessarily redundant old 
information from the dependent clause, or otherwise  substitutes pronouns; 
redundant old 
information is retained only to avoid  ambiguity.
 
N1|S(N1, N2) * T(ds) ==> N1 + N2(gen)
 
Linguistic analysis then consists of the reverse process:
 
[N1 + N2(gen)] * B(ds) ==> N1|S(N1, N2)
 
where B(ds) is the back transformation equivalent of T(ds) which restores  
the content of the dependent clause (S). The author assumed that his readers  
intuitively would be able to know the content of S. Students should be taught 
to 
 find that information as well.
 
Jim Price