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  • From: Lee Roy Martin <lmartin AT vol.com>
  • To: "UUC" <unikom AT paco.net>
  • Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: In his death?
  • Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:56:18 -0400

Dear Vadim,
I see no problem in a wicked/rich parallel. Cf. the connection between evil and riches in Proverbs 28:22; Jer. 5:26-27; and Psalm 37:16. Micah, Amos and other prophets frequently ascribe great wickedness to the wealthy.
LRM



On May 17, 2004, at 5:05 PM, UUC wrote:

Dear Lee,

I doubt about the parallelism in this verse, since rich are not normally
paralleled to wicked in ancient literature.
Anyway, "altars" is just the closest approximation of bamah. "Shrine" is
another possibility, I agree with you. It's not only the burial places, but
also sacrificial places, thus could be in plural, no problem.


Best regards,

Vadim


Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 53: In his death?


Vadim,
Given your concern for the literal, if you insist on rejecting bemotav
as "death" then you should translate it as "his high places," not "his
altars". The word bamah means "back", or "high place". If a high
place is used for worship it may include an altar or a shrine, but the
Isaiah 53 text does include the words altar or house, both of which are
occur in other texts along with the word bamah.
If the high place is a cultic place of burial, as it seems to be in
Ezek. 4:7, then you still have the problem of the plural form= "his
burial places".
In light of the parallelism of the verse, I would either translate as
"his death" or "his burial", and accept the plural as intensive.
Lee R. Martin





On May 15, 2004, at 2:46 AM, unikom AT paco.net wrote:

Well, since the argument started to deviate into a messianic debate,
may I
suggest to concentrate, to begin with, on a single word:

bemotav

It is uniformly translated as

in his death.

How so? The word is in plural in every mss, even in Qumran.

So, it is either,

in his deathS,

or, from boma,

his altars

I would love to read any arguments to the contrary.


Sincerely,

Vadim Cherny
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