Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Dora Smith" <villandra AT austin.rr.com>]

Ah - OK.  THe only thing I now don't undrestand is what is the difference 
between standard Hebrew fonts and nonstandard Hebrew fonts.   

The two I have that come up in Outlook Express and WORD are WL HebrewParsons, 
and WP Hebrew David, both of which are ones you guys recommended.  I think 
it's using the WL HEbrew Parsons one.  

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra AT austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
To: "Dora Smith" <villandra AT austin.rr.com>
Cc: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question about Song of the Sea


> On 29/03/2004 19:36, Dora Smith wrote:
> 
> >Yours,
> >Dora Smith
> >Austin, Texas
> >villandra AT austin.rr.com
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Peter Kirk" <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
> >To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:05 AM
> >Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question about Song of the Sea
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>This is irrelevant. There are international standards for interchange of
> >>Hebrew text in e-mail, Unicode and ISO 8859-8. Text which is encoded
> >>according to these standards can be displayed by any standard Hebrew
> >>font, including (although not very beautifully, as George Somsel pointed
> >>out re holam) Times New Roman and the other Microsoft core fonts.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>This is an error of fact. It is quite possible to send Hebrew in plain
> >>text-only e-mail, as follows: בְּרֵאשִׁית - if you set the character
> >>    
> >>
> >coding
> >  
> >
> >>to Unicode or ISO 8859-8. If a mail program cannot display this, it is
> >>not because it is text-only but because it does not support Hebrew.
> >>(Dora, this is what you failed to do in your posting which was supposed
> >>to be Unicode; Outlook Express does allow you to do so.)
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >What exactly do you mean?  WHen I clicked send it gave me some comment 
> >about
> >the text and asked if I wanted to send it in unicode; I clicked to send it
> >in unicode.   Is this what you mean?    Outlook Express did not then 
> >DISPLAY
> >the Hebrew script as Hebrew, even though Outlook Express has access to teh
> >same font.   I tried it.   But when I copied and pasted into WORD and then
> >told WORD to format taht text (the gibberish) in Hebrew, it did with no
> >trouble.
> >
> >But the post that I sent not in Unicode displayed questionmarks instead of
> >gibberish for the Heberw, and when I copied, pasted and reformatted in WORD
> >it displayed it as different question marks.
> >
> >Is there something I 'm supposed to do so that Outlook Express will display
> >unicode Hebrew script in Hebrew?
> >  
> >
> 
> Dora, I am sorry for the confusion. It is now clear to me what the 
> problem was. The Hebrew you were sending was not in Unicode, but in a 
> non-standard encoding (possibly using Unicode private use area 
> characters) which can be read only by those with the non-standard fonts 
> you have. See my previous posting for more details of how to set up 
> standard fonts and how to type with them. If you do this, Outlook 
> Express supports Unicode Hebrew.
> 
> >>As there are plenty of free e-mail clients now available which do
> >>support Hebrew, I think it is reasonable to ask those interested in
> >>Hebrew to install one. After all, if one is really interested in a
> >>subject one needs to acquire the basic tools for that subject.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >Can you please recommend some?
> >
> >  
> >
> Outlook Express is a good start. Or try Mozilla.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Peter Kirk
> peter AT qaya.org (personal)
> peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
> http://www.qaya.org/
>
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I have a question - what on earth do people use to send e-mail to people in
Israel?

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
villandra AT austin.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Washburn" <dwashbur AT nyx.net>
To: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] question about Song of the Sea


>
> The last requirement is the one that I was talking about, because the
VT100
> emulation is text-only and pretty well limited to ASCII, so that leaves
out a
> GUI application such as Mozilla.  We have now heard from at least 3 list
> members who are in a similar situation.  This was my point to Dora: the
> spectrum of users here is so diverse that we have to use a system that
> everyone can read.  Hence the transliteration thing.  As my dad used to
say,
> 'tain't right, but it's so.  In an ideal world we would all have
graphical,
> Unicode-based mail clients.  It ain't an ideal world...
>
> --
> Dave Washburn
> http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
> Learning about Christianity from a non-Christian
> is like getting a kiss over the telephone.
>
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