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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names
- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
- Cc: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names
- Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 04:17:38 -0800
On 17/02/2004 19:04, Uri Hurwitz wrote:
Karl Randolph <kwrandolph AT email.com> wrote:Greek theta, by the way, was originally and still in classical times an aspirated t, distinguished from tau which was unaspirated. I suppose that aspiration was the Greek way of making a distinct "emphatic" sound, whereas for Semites the "emphatic" sound was (and in Arabic still is) pharyngealised. It was only later, in Koine or Byzantine times, that Greek theta took on the sound of English th. Hebrew tav (without dagesh) also took on this sound in some dialects, but for different reasons. In Arabic this sound is represented by a separate letter, like the Arabic version of tav but with three dots instead of two, which (from its numeric value) was originally added to the end of the alphabet straight after tav.
Isn’t there evidence for more changes than just these listed?
For example, the ‘tet’ (between chet and yod) had the same form and position
in the alphabet as the theta in Greek. Did the Greek change it to the theta
sound, or did Hebrew, under the influence of Aramaic, lose the theta sound?
From what I know of linguistic sound shifts and how they show up in writing,
I think the latter is more likely
<snip>
The "Tet" is part and parcel of the regular Semitic alphabet, one of the so-called "emphatics"; clearly distinct fromthe the the other "T", in Arabic speech, for example.(should also be in Heb,, epecially in Sephardi reading, and in modern speech, but lost under the influence of European languages. A similar change started in Talmudic times, if not before)
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names, Harold R. Holmyard III, 02/13/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Trevor Peterson, 02/13/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names, Peter Kirk, 02/13/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Trevor Peterson, 02/13/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names, Harold R. Holmyard III, 02/13/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Shai Heijmans, 02/14/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names, Jason Hare, 02/15/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names, leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il, 02/15/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Karl Randolph, 02/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Uri Hurwitz, 02/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Peter Kirk, 02/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Yigal Levin, 02/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Yigal Levin, 02/19/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names, Peter Kirk, 02/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Yigal Levin, 02/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Yigal Levin, 02/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Peter Kirk, 02/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names,
Uri Hurwitz, 02/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Ancient pronunciation of biblical names, Karl Randolph, 02/19/2004
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