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- From: "Trevor Peterson" <06peterson AT cua.edu>
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- Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text
- Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 13:07:18 -0400
Liz wrote:
> The Greek
> transliteration OU is customarily read as the consonant W in
> the word Yahweh, but it could equally be read as the long ooo
> sound.
But if it is /u/, then what is the next consonant? In Hebrew, you can't
have two vowels in a row. Maybe we could suggest that it is both /u/ and
/w/, but I can't think of an example where we get that combination. (I
seem to remember getting a yod-dagesh representing a mater followed by a
consonantal yod, but not with vav.) If that's not possible, then it
seems to me that we don't have a valid form (unless the h starts the
next syllable, but who's suggesting that?).
> Now if you have an aspirated h in the middle of the
> word which had been dropped, and the OU as ooo, then the new
> reading of the Greek would be ya hu eh.
Which again is an impossible reading from the Hebrew side of things.
There has to be a consonant between hu and eh. If vav is a vowel, you
don't have one.
> This would be
> consistent with both the Greek, the theophoric names that we
> have, and with the spelling of the name at Elephantine. The
> only question is whether the Hebrew W serves as both a vowel
> and as a consonant in YHWH,
Which may not be possible.
> or if only one or the other. In
> my opinion, it serves only as a vowel based on the
> theophoric names.
But the theophoric element doesn't have the problem of the last
syllable, which is a problem if the vav is a vowel only.
> But maybe going from the /hu/ to the /eh/
> forces a slight /w/ before the /eh/ since otherwise you'd
> need a glottal stop between the syllables, wouldn't you, and
> wouldn't that require an aleph?
Yes, it would. But if the vowels are separated by palatalization, we
should get a vav in Hebrew. So either way, there would need to be a
consonant here. If the vav is not it, then we don't have one.
> If so, that would lead you
> naturally to Yahuweh, with the accent on the hu.
And to highlight the problem, according to your analysis, the four
Hebrew letters would appear as follows in caps: YaHUweH. As I say, I
think that is impossible for Hebrew.
Trevor Peterson
CUA/Semitics
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Re: [b-hebrew] END OF THREAD: Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text
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- Re: [b-hebrew] END OF THREAD: Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, furuli, 09/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Dave Washburn, 09/27/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Peter Kirk, 09/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Liz Fried, 09/27/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Trevor Peterson, 09/27/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Peter Kirk, 09/27/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Liz Fried, 09/28/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Trevor Peterson, 09/28/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Liz Fried, 09/28/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Trevor Peterson, 09/28/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Liz Fried, 09/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Peter Kirk, 09/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Peter Kirk, 09/28/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Trevor Peterson, 09/28/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Liz Fried, 09/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Jack Kilmon, 09/28/2003
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Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Peter Kirk, 09/28/2003
- RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Liz Fried, 09/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Peter Kirk, 09/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Jason Hare, 09/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Jason Hare, 09/28/2003
- Re: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text, Peter Kirk, 09/28/2003
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RE: [b-hebrew] Variants of YHWH in the BHS Text,
Liz Fried, 09/27/2003
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