Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Peter Kirk" <peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com>]

Sorry to hear this. But I don't think this was the cause of the problem. I
would expect that setup to have some problems displaying and printing the
web page - but certainly not that the whole system would get messed up. I
suspect the problem was something unrelated which took place at the same
time by coincidence.

I'm sorry to disagree with Bruce Gardner; I really don't know of anything
which 98 can do but XP, once properly set up, cannot do - except easily
crash! But I think you will find Windows XP, once everything has been
installed properly, and after you have got used to it which may take a few
weeks, a much more stable and pleasant working environment than 98. It will
be especially advantageous to you for working in Hebrew as it comes with
good built-in Hebrew support - which you can make even better by installing
a (free) package like the SIL Hebrew Unicode Fonts (with supporting keyboard
drivers etc) from http://www.sil.org/computing/fonts/silhebruni/. There
might still be a few glitches with older material using an incompatible
system, but XP, as a generally much more stable system than 98, is very
unlikely to be crashed by them.

Peter Kirk
peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lizfried AT umich.edu [mailto:lizfried AT umich.edu]
> Sent: 04 May 2003 13:52
> To: Peter Kirk
> Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] font problem
> 
> Dear Peter,
> Well, my whole computer died now.
> I'm using my husband's. Mine is now at a friend's
> house being completely gutted. I don't know what
> happened, but ever since I tried to print out the
> Biblica article, I have not been able to print anything.
> He's going to install Windows XP, and Explorer IE6.
> I was using Internet Explorer 5, and Windows 98.
> This is very traumatic. He took everything off and gutted it.
> Liz
> 
> Quoting Peter Kirk <peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com>:
> 
> > Are you using Internet Explorer, or Netscape, or what? These are
> browsers.
> > It would help also to know the version number, which you can usually get
> > from Help - About.
> >
> > Peter Kirk
> > peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
> > http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lisbeth S. Fried [mailto:lizfried AT umich.edu]
> > > Sent: 03 May 2003 16:38
> > > To: Peter Kirk; b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] font problem
> > >
> > > I'm using Microsoft WIndows 98. I don't know what a
> > > browser is, sorry.
> > > LIz
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Peter Kirk
> > > > Sent: Sat, May 03, 2003 11:27 AM
> > > > To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] font problem
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My copy of SPTiberian is also full of squares (as I find from
> > > > Character Map)
> > > > but that shouldn't be the problem. What OS and browser are
> > > > you using? I have
> > > > little experience outside Windows and IE, although I wish I
> > > > didn't have to
> > > > rely on them
> > > >
> > > > Peter Kirk
> > > > peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
> > > > http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> > > > > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Lisbeth S. Fried
> > > > > Sent: 03 May 2003 15:22
> > > > > To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > > Subject: [b-hebrew] font problem
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Peter,Maurice, etc.
> > > > > I am still having font problems.
> > > > > It turns out I did have SPTiberian already.
> > > > > But anyway, I replaced it with the version from Biblica
> > > > > and was able to see Hebrew on my screen. However
> > > > > when I tried to print out the article, my computer froze.
> > > > > I have to delete the font in order to get outlook to run.
> > > > > I then downloaded it from the AAR site (I couldn't from the SBL
> > > > > site for some reason).
> > > > > When I look at the font there are little squares here and
> > > > > there, where I think letters should be. Also there is a
> > > > > problem with the aleph (I think). I tried to print out the
> > > > > font's test page, and it froze just before printing the aleph
> > > > > (I think).
> > > > > Any suggestions? Is the font supposed to have little squares in
it?
> > > > > I'm going to all this trouble just to print out an article that
> > > > > purposely
> > > > > ignores my excursus in Milgrom (Grrr).
> > > > > Liz
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > > > [mailto:b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Peter
> Kirk
> > > > > > Sent: Fri, May 02, 2003 6:07 PM
> > > > > > To: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] " The Jubilee ": Oops!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Recent versions of Internet Explorer, the ones which have
> > > > > > proper Hebrew
> > > > > > support built into them, tend not to like it when people try
> > > > > > to undermine
> > > > > > all their hard work and continue to use old kludges like
> > > > > > SPTiberian. Could
> > > > > > that be the problem? Solution: use the built-in Hebrew
> > > > > > support like the rest
> > > > > > of the world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually this is probably not the problem with this
> > > > > > particular article. The
> > > > > > Hebrew words appear more or less correctly in IE6, unpointed
> > > > > > apart from shin
> > > > > > dots which is probably what was intended. It is the pointing
> > > > > > in the kludges
> > > > > > which causes problems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter Kirk
> > > > > > peter.r.kirk AT ntlworld.com
> > > > > > http://web.onetel.net.uk/~peterkirk/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: b-hebrew-bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org [mailto:b-hebrew-
> > > > > > > bounces AT lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Maurice A. O'Sullivan
> > > > > > > Sent: 02 May 2003 22:49
> > > > > > > To: Lisbeth S. Fried
> > > > > > > Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [b-hebrew] " The Jubilee ": Oops!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 21:37 02/05/2003, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I don't know if a Hebrew font is used in the article,
> > > > > > > >but if so that might be the problem. The font Biblica uses
> > > > > > > >is SPTiberii, and I saw that not all the letters were
> > > > there in my
> > > > > > > >version,
> > > > > > > >and there was garbage in places.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Liz:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > AFAICG, you are confusing two things: how the document
> > > > > > appears in your
> > > > > > > browser, and how it prints out. Just to read it, your
> > > > > > browser needs to be
> > > > > > > configured to read the fonts which are embedded in the
> > > > > > on-line document,
> > > > > > > but to print it out you need the font installed in your
> > > > > > fonts folder on
> > > > > > > your hard disk ( pardon me, but all this is Windows talk --
> > > > > > I can't help
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you're using a Mac )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Hebrew font used in this article is SPTiberian, and it
> > > > > > displays in my
> > > > > > > browser, and prints out fine both from my browser (
> > > > > > Netscape 7.02 ) and
> > > > > > > imported as a .HTML file into Word 2002
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I tried to download the font again, and still got garbage
> > > > > > in those slots.
> > > > > > > >Any suggestions?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To allow your browser display the Hebrew font you must have
> > > > > > it configured
> > > > > > > to allow the use of embedded fonts. In Netscape, I must
> > > > > > check the box
> > > > > > > labelled  " Allow documents use other fonts " i.e display
> > > > > > embedded fonts.
> > > > > > > Whichever browser you're using, you should find something
> > > > > > analogous in the
> > > > > > > "Fonts" section of your settings.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >However, I didn't notice Hebrew in the article when I
> > > > > > scrolled through
> > > > > > it,
> > > > > > > >so I don't know if that's the problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This tells me that your browser is not configured properly
> > > > > > ( or else of
> > > > > > > elderly vintage ! )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I trust this is of some help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BTW, the SPTiberian font is available from the SBL
> > > > web-site: go to
> > > > > > > ftp://ftp.sbl-site2.org/fonts/
> > > > > > > and click on Windows or Mac as required.  Be sure to d/l
> > > > > > the .readme file
> > > > > > > as well as the actual font file.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maurice
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maurice A. O'Sullivan  [ Bray, Ireland ]
> > > > > > > mauros AT iol.ie
> > > > > >
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