Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Schmuel <schmuel AT bigfoot.com>]

Shalom b-hebrew,

Thank you Peter for a quick and helpful response..

Peter Kirk,
> ADONI is ADON "(human) lord or master" with the first person singular
> possessive suffix. Don't confuse it with ADONAI, the divine title. In BDB
> there is a list of many of the occurrences of ADONI, including (as the
> article no doubt points out) Ps 110:1. Or try any search engine.

Schmuel
Yes, understand the distinction between adonai (adonoy in New Yawk)
and adoni

Though I don't know an Internet search engine that makes the distinction
  simple to find, I use www.crosswalk.com lexicon on the Net and mainly
  the Jay Green Interlinear to look at the Hebrew words ... suggestions ?

Now it may be overstating to use the expression  ---

ADONI is ADON "(human) lord or master"  ...... since we have these examples..

   a)  adoni is also used for angels  (in the 3 cases we are discussing)
   b)  adon itself, according to the same source, is used for YHWH
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http://anthonybuzzard.home.mindspring.com/BD86.htm
2. ADON ....Apart from about 30 occasions where it refers to the Divine 
Lord....
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(I don't have these 30 occasions handy, as I don't have BDB .. yet :-)

now it seems it would be more appropriate to say about adoni..

ADONI - lord or master, not used in reference to YHWH (or Deity)
ADON  - lord or master (used in various ways)

Peter
> As for specific references to angels, BDB mentions Jos 5:14, Jdg 6:13.

Schmuel
Thank you Peter, these are exactly what I was looking for..
(For reference I put the Scripture references at bottom of the post..)

As for Adonai, the Divine Title, if this is accurate (from the COG website)

3. ADONAI
(The second form of "Adonai" is used in the plural, of men, very 
occasionally.)

Would that qualify as an exception that should be included in calling Adonai
the divine title ? ... or is this a form used exclusively for plural of men 
only and
therefore doesn't mitigate on the expression "Divine Title" ...

(similar to the way adonov, his master, tho quite similar to adonai,
 seemingly would not ever be used for the Creator)

I would be interested in knowing those examples and looking at the exact
difference in the plural of men form in the Hebrew spelling ...

Thank you for you assistance on all this :-)
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One other interesting thing I did discover in this is that in the Pentateuch
the Tetragrammaton is used in writing about the Creator, yet the
speakers referring to him always use Adonai .. (I am omitting any
concern for usage of Elohim or other forms in this observation)
This distinction in usage does not carry forward into the rest of Tenakh
where Boaz uses the Tetragrammaton directly in speaking a blessing/greeting
(thought this may be the only exception to not speaking the Tetragrammaton)
while Adonai begins to be used in writing about the Creator..
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Joshua 5:13-14 (KJV)
And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes 
and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword 
drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou 
for us, or for our adversaries?
And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And 
Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, 
What saith **my lord** unto his servant?

Judges 6:11-13
And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which was in 
Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon 
threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites.
And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is 
with thee, thou mighty man of valour.
And Gideon said unto him, Oh **my Lord**, if the LORD be with us, why then 
is all this befallen us? and where be all his miracles which our fathers 
told us of, saying, Did not the LORD bring us up from Egypt? but now the 
LORD hath forsaken us, and delivered us into the hands of the Midianites.
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 Schmuel
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~anthonybuzzard/BD86.htm
> >     SIT  THOU AT  MY  RIGHT  HAND (Psalm 110:1) by Allon Maxwell Sept 1998
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> >     4. ADONI
> >     "It appears 195 times, and is used almost entirely of human
> > lords (but occasionally of angels).
> >
> >   Daniel 12:8
> >   And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what
> > shall be the end of these things?
>
> >    Can anyone here help with some others .. ?

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