Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Lee R. Martin" <lmartin AT vol.com>]

Dear Liz,
I suppose that the writer is assuming daytime as the starting point.  Thus, 
after
evening comes and morning comes, we are back to the starting point -- daytime.
Lee R. Martin

Liz Fried wrote:

> Why doesn't it say evening and morning, one *night*?
> Just wondering.
> Liz
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Hildenbrand [mailto:hildenbr AT Haas.Berkeley.EDU]
> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:34 AM
> > To: Biblical Hebrew
> > Cc: Biblical Hebrew
> > Subject: Re: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???
> >
> >
> > None of these passages have YOM used in conjunction with numbers, as in
> > Gen 1.  My argument still stands.
> >
> > As to "evening and morning":  Since this phrase only occurs here, you
> > would have a case of special pleading if you took it any other way than
> > its constituant parts indicate.  That is, evening should be taken as
> > "evening" and morning as "morning" unless otherwise indicated.  In *every*
> > case where the two are used in the same sentence (some 35x in Bible
> > works), the words *never* bear any other meaning than the literal.  This
> > makes the case for "evening and morning" in Gen 1 quite strong to
> > understand them to refer to the same evening and morning as we are
> > familiar with.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >  On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Peter Kirk wrote:
> >
> > > I was surprised to come across this morning in my church
> > service, in a song
> > > which we sang, clear evidence that YOM does NOT always mean a 24 hour
> > > period, even when it has no preposition. The song quoted from
> > Isaiah 61:2,
> > > in which YOM is in parallel with SHANA, in a clear case of synonymous
> > > parallelism. Well, the parallel between "favour" and
> > "vengeance" seems odd,
> > > but I am sure that there is no intention of contrast between the time
> > > periods involved. There are similar parallels in Is. 34:8, 63:4. The
> > > parallel makes it clear that this "day of vengeance" was not
> > intended by the
> > > author to be understood as a 24 hour period. So why is it so
> > certain that
> > > the "days" of Genesis 1 are 24 hour periods, in the author's intention?
> > >
> > > The "evening and morning" formula is hardly strong evidence as it occurs
> > > only in Genesis 1, if I remember rightly. And the lack of
> > examples of YOM
> > > with an ordinal number tells us little because I am sure that almost all
> > > cases of this outside Genesis 1 are in dates, so in a
> > construction which is
> > > not comparable. Unfortunately, as a general rule in Hebrew studies, the
> > > limited size of the corpus and the lack of native speakers means that we
> > > cannot argue that a word or phrase must always have a particular meaning
> > > from the lack of unambiguous examples of it having another meaning.
> > >
> > > Peter Kirk
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Hildenbrand" <hildenbr AT Haas.Berkeley.EDU>
> > > To: "Biblical Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: The 24 hour "evening and mornings" ???
> > >
> > >
> > > > We seem to be slipping in this thread.  I sent what is
> > written below out
> > > > to the list some time this past month.  The issue is a
> > non-issue.  YOM in
> > > > Gen 1 linguistically *has* to refer to a day of the 24 hour variety.
> > > > That is a certainty.  Now, what you DO with that is up to
> > your theology.
> > > > It is not optional as to the intent of the author/editor of
> > Gen 1.  The
> > > > meaning of YOM is a linguistic question, not theological.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > > -------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Actually, YOM falls into quite clear categories.  When it is
> > not augmented
> > > > (prefixed article or pronoun-like "b"- or in the plural) and used with
> > > > numbers, the word *always* refers to a literal day (some
> > 200x), Gen 1 of
> > > > course being a battleground.  Further in Gen 1, YOM is delimited by
> > > > "evening and morning" a phrase which is never used in reference to
> > > > anything other than a literal day.  I am sure that we do not
> > want to get
> > > > too deeply into this (presuppositions being what they are in
> > this area)-I
> > > > don't either.  BDB had this figured out a long time ago (they
> > have these
> > > > categories very clearly set out).  Also Evan-Shoshan divides
> > up the usages
> > > > quite neatly.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Lee R. Martin
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Instructor in Hebrew and Old Testament
Church of God Theological Seminary
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