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  • Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:26:33 -0500 (CDT)

Cummins currently has 20 Orleans Reinette on G.16 for 2015.



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> 1. Sources for Orleans Reinette apple? (jvancamp@tc3net.com)
> 2. Subject:,Re: OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
> (Rosholdt)
> 3. Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (caitlin cook-isaacson)
> 4. Re: Subject:,Re: OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
> (Naomi Counides)
> 5. Re: Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Dan Nave)
> 6. Re: Sources for Orleans Reinette apple? (sherwin)
> 7. Room reservations for Annual Meeting (Jwlehman@aol.com)
> 8. Re: Sources for Orleans Reinette apple? (Deb Schneider)
> 9. Re: Room reservations for Annual Meeting (Idell
> Weydemeyer)
> 10. Future of Walnut (R. Keith Etheridge)
> 11. Re: Future of Walnut (Jwlehman@aol.com)
> 12. Re: Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Steve Wilson)
> 13. Announcing nut growers fall meeting (Jwlehman@aol.com)
> 14. kiwi trellis alternatives (Devin Smith)
> 15. Re: kiwi trellis alternatives (mIEKAL aND)
> 16. Re: kiwi trellis alternatives (Dan Nave)
> 17. Re: kiwi trellis alternatives (Hungrytown Dave)
> 18. Re: Future of Walnut (R. Keith Etheridge)
> 19. Re: Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Dan Nave)
> 20. Re: Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (mIEKAL aND)
> 21. Fruit project featured at Carrington (North Dakota) Center
> Field Day (Brungardt, Sam (MPCA))
> 22. nanking polliation (poor) (Devin Smith)
> 23. Re: nanking polliation (poor) (mIEKAL aND)
> 24. Re: nanking polliation (poor) (Lee Reich)
> 25. Re: Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit (Dan Nave)
> 26. Re: nanking polliation (poor) (mIEKAL aND)
> 27. Re: nanking polliation (poor) (Lee Reich)
> 28. girdling (AK)
> 29. Re: girdling (Lee Reich)
> 30. Re: girdling (Ginda Fisher)
> 31. Scoring (AK)
> 32. test (Jwlehman@aol.com)
> 33. Re: Scoring (Deannie Hughes)
> 34. Scoring (Jwlehman@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:53:16 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jvancamp@tc3net.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Sources for Orleans Reinette apple?
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> Looking for a source for Orleans Reinette apples on a M7 or G30
> (or equivalent non staked rootstock) for sale. Mine died after
> the winter we had here in SE Michigan, but the rest of my trees
> seemed to have come through ok. Anyone know where I might
> purchase?
>
> -Josh Van Camp
> Jasper, MI
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:41:52 -0400
> From: Rosholdt <rosholdt@erols.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Subject:,Re: OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed
> (corn)
> Message-ID: <539F5690.6050304@erols.com>
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>
>
> Naomi,
>
> I attempted to stabilize (make open pollinated) the Silver Queen
> hybrid. If you plant hybrid seed, you get an unnerving result -
> inbreeding depression. You have to be patient through several
> generations of inbreeding depression, selecting out the ones that
> are not what you want, and then saving seed each year, until you
> get about 5 generations. Then grow the corn out in a large area
> (an acre would be great, a quarter acre would be minimal, and do
> a final selection of ears to save. In my ignorance, I introduced
> problems.
>
> If you are interested in seed saving, which I HIGHLY recommend,
> please get hold of one of Carol Deppe's books on plant breeding
> or John Navazio's The Organic Seed Grower.
>
> Open pollinated varieties do not suffer from inbreeding
> depression. They are maintained as Lee Reich suggested.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 19:44:00 -0500
> From: caitlin cook-isaacson <ccookisaacson@gmail.com>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
> Message-ID:
> <CAEpjtk7kFsEiv87p_a=7=z6ewSdtAjSYSC-z_D0t+4BfGB+Srw@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> We had the same thing on only one of our Nankings this year as
> well, never
> before. Last year, we had some brown rot and removed all of the
> affected
> fruit that we could find. This year, a handful of the fruits grew
> huge and
> banana-shaped about 2 weeks ago, so we removed them as well.
> They fruits
> were dry and hollow inside with no flesh or seeds.
>
> To me it looks very similar to plum pocket/pocket plum which I
> have also
> seen on some local plums this year. Dan, if your fruit looks
> similar,
> maybe it is *taphrina pruni*?
>
> http://rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=199
>
> best,
> Caitlin
> Mpls, MN
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:23:09 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
> Message-ID: <88A4983D-8FC9-4E37-A6BC-037258444003@leereich.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Probably brown rot, usually not a major problem with Nanking
> cherries even
> though some fruits get infected.
>
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
>
> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>
>> I have several Nanking Cherry bushes that fruited well last year
>> and have
> set fruit well this year also.
>> But, I notice that quite a few fruits appear elongated and
>> misshapen with
> some greyish or brown discoloration.
>> Does anyone know what this is, and what I should do about it?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:24:05 -0600
> From: "Naomi Counides" <naomi@oznayim.us>
> To: "'nafex mailing list at ibiblio'" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Subject:,Re: OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed
> (corn)
> Message-ID: <00a501cf89c2$741fde20$5c5f9a60$@oznayim.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am not that ambitious and I do not have that much space. More
> like 4 feet
> by 50 feet for corn. I have saved seed from Arugula and some
> Chinese
> greens. But I do not think that counts for much.
> Naomi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nafex [mailto:nafex-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> Rosholdt
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 2:42 PM
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Subject:,Re: OT a bit- Saving hybrid seed (corn)
>
>
> Naomi,
>
> I attempted to stabilize (make open pollinated) the Silver Queen
> hybrid. If
> you plant hybrid seed, you get an unnerving result - inbreeding
> depression.
> You have to be patient through several generations of inbreeding
> depression,
> selecting out the ones that are not what you want, and then
> saving seed each
> year, until you get about 5 generations. Then grow the corn out
> in a large
> area (an acre would be great, a quarter acre would be minimal,
> and do a
> final selection of ears to save. In my ignorance, I introduced
> problems.
>
> If you are interested in seed saving, which I HIGHLY recommend,
> please get
> hold of one of Carol Deppe's books on plant breeding or John
> Navazio's The
> Organic Seed Grower.
>
> Open pollinated varieties do not suffer from inbreeding
> depression. They are
> maintained as Lee Reich suggested.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:51:13 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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>
> That looks quite similar, the largest fruit is about 1 inch long.
> I didn't pay much attention to pits, but I didn't feel any when
> I removed the bizarre fruits.
>
> Much of the fruit, even on this tree/bush is normal. I just hope
> it doesn't spread and kill the whole bush.
> It doesn't look like there is any witches broom type damage going
> on at this point.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 6/16/2014 7:44 PM, caitlin cook-isaacson wrote:
>> We had the same thing on only one of our Nankings this year as
>> well, never
>> before. Last year, we had some brown rot and removed all of the
>> affected
>> fruit that we could find. This year, a handful of the fruits
>> grew huge and
>> banana-shaped about 2 weeks ago, so we removed them as well.
>> They fruits
>> were dry and hollow inside with no flesh or seeds.
>>
>> To me it looks very similar to plum pocket/pocket plum which I
>> have also
>> seen on some local plums this year. Dan, if your fruit looks
>> similar,
>> maybe it is *taphrina pruni*?
>>
>> http://rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=199
>>
>> best,
>> Caitlin
>> Mpls, MN
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:23:09 -0400
>> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
>> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
>> Message-ID: <88A4983D-8FC9-4E37-A6BC-037258444003@leereich.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Probably brown rot, usually not a major problem with Nanking
>> cherries even
>> though some fruits get infected.
>>
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>> http://leereich.com/
>>
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>
>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>>
>>> I have several Nanking Cherry bushes that fruited well last
>>> year and have
>> set fruit well this year also.
>>> But, I notice that quite a few fruits appear elongated and
>>> misshapen with
>> some greyish or brown discoloration.
>>> Does anyone know what this is, and what I should do about it?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:13:12 -0500
> From: sherwin <sherwindu@att.net>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Sources for Orleans Reinette apple?
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> Josh,
>
> Sorry, I don't have that variety. It's described as a heirloom,
> so it's
> origins are not apparently obvious.
>
> I found the following in a web search:
>
> www.orangepippintrees.com
>
> http://www.heirloomorchards.com/product%20pages/orleans_reinette.html
>
> http://www.naturehills.com/apple-tree-orleans-reinette-organic-heirloom
>
> plus a few more.
>
> However, I'm curious what rootstock this tree was on and how
> mature it was.
> Also, did your tree bear fruit and if so, how was the taste?
>
> Sherwin Dubren
>
> On 6/16/2014 12:53 PM, jvancamp@tc3net.com wrote:
>> Looking for a source for Orleans Reinette apples on a M7 or G30
>> (or equivalent non staked rootstock) for sale. Mine died after
>> the winter we had here in SE Michigan, but the rest of my trees
>> seemed to have come through ok. Anyone know where I might
>> purchase?
>>
>> -Josh Van Camp
>> Jasper, MI
>> __________________
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 23:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Cc: pomonascion@gmail.com
> Subject: [nafex] Room reservations for Annual Meeting
> Message-ID: <33b16.2ea8d362.40d11556@aol.com>
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>
> If you haven't made lodging reservations for the annual meeting
> you are in for a surprise. Even though a block of rooms was
> reserved until July 1 there aren't rooms available for each
> night. Sure looks like they gave reservations from our block to
> outsiders for two of the nights. Anyway: There is a block of 10
> rooms reserved at the Best Western and 7 of those have been
> taken. When those last three rooms are filled we will be given
> the group rate. Once the block is filled additional rooms can be
> reserved at the group rate, if available. Bottom line is if you
> are going and haven't reserved rooms better do so quickly.
> Jerry ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:48:41 -0400
> From: Deb Schneider <debs913@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Sources for Orleans Reinette apple?
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>
> Cummins Nursery has it on their list
> http://www.cumminsnursery.com/antiques.htm Perhaps you could
> order a
> custom graft for next year?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, <jvancamp@tc3net.com> wrote:
>
>> Looking for a source for Orleans Reinette apples on a M7 or G30
>> (or
>> equivalent non staked rootstock) for sale. Mine died after the
>> winter we
>> had here in SE Michigan, but the rest of my trees seemed to have
>> come
>> through ok. Anyone know where I might purchase?
>>
>> -Josh Van Camp
>> Jasper, MI
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 09:52:54 -0700
> From: "Idell Weydemeyer" <iwgarden@earthlink.net>
> To: <Jwlehman@aol.com>, "'nafex mailing list at ibiblio'"
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> Cc: pomonascion@gmail.com
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> I have booked a room at the Motel 6 that is close by--price not
> too bad. Idell Weydemeyer
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Jwlehman--- via nafex
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> Subject: [nafex] Room reservations for Annual Meeting
>
> If you haven't made lodging reservations for the annual meeting
> you are in for a surprise. Even though a block of rooms was
> reserved until July 1 there aren't rooms available for each
> night. Sure looks like they gave reservations from our block to
> outsiders for two of the nights. Anyway: There is a block of 10
> rooms reserved at the Best Western and 7 of those have been
> taken. When those last three rooms are filled we will be given
> the group rate. Once the block is filled additional rooms can be
> reserved at the group rate, if available. Bottom line is if you
> are going and haven't reserved rooms better do so quickly.
> Jerry __________________
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> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:05:11 -0500
> From: "R. Keith Etheridge" <goatdoc@ctitech.com>
> To: <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [nafex] Future of Walnut
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> With the advent of thousand cankers disease will walnut go the
> way of American chestnut and ash? It seems most similar to Ash in
> that an insect is involved and an insecticide can
> be injected and might become cost effective for timber but
> unlikely for nuts, Are the adjoining states doing anything
> special.
> Keith
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 07:28:09 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Future of Walnut
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>
> In a message dated 6/20/2014 11:13:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> goatdoc@ctitech.com writes:
>
> With the advent of thousand cankers disease will walnut go the
> way of American chestnut and ash? It seems most similar to Ash
> in that an insect is involved and an insecticide can
> be injected and might become cost effective for timber but
> unlikely for nuts, Are the adjoining states doing anything
> special.
> Keith
> Hello Keith,
> I forwarded your question to Jim McKenna, Operational Tree
> Breeder, USDA - Forest Service, HTIRC - Purdue University. Jim
> is helping research TCD. He is also the Editor for the Indiana
> Nut & Fruit Growers Assoc. Here is his answer: "For nut
> production, you can earn income to cover spraying each year.
> Timber is not economical to spray. Second, the TCD is native to
> north America, not exotic like chestnut blight and Dutch elm
> disease. Because the disease is native, we have already
> determined that black walnut varies in reaction. Thus, resistant
> trees exist and will be naturally selected for. Last, this
> disease is spotty and fluctuates year to year. It does not look
> like it can actually wipe out whole stands or regions."
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:06:41 -0400
> From: Steve Wilson <12986nafex@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
> Message-ID: <53A6FF11.4060107@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 06:04:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Announcing nut growers fall meeting
> Message-ID: <eb94.7cda118f.40d955ac@aol.com>
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> This is to advise you that the Missouri Nut Growers Association
> will hold its Pre-harvest Meeting in southeastern Missouri.
> These meetings are always open to all but, because our roots are
> in extreme western Missouri, it's not often that we meet this
> far east and south and so we wanted to extend an invitation to
> nut growers further east. The date is Friday, September 5th
> (mark your calendar) and plans are to visit two pecan orchards.
> The detailed information will be posted on our MNGA website
> _ww.missourinutgrowers.org_ (http://www.missourinutgrowers.org/)
> ). Mark your calendars, round up some friends to share the drive
> over and see northern commercial pecan growing. Sara Jean
> Peters
> Missouri Nut Growers Association
> _sara069@centurytel.net_ (mailto:sara069@centurytel.net)
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 18:45:58 -0700
> From: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> Maybe its because my kiwis are just starting to bear, but I'm so
> far convinced that I can't have too many hardy kiwis. The only
> problem is that trellises require time and money to build, and
> intensive management to boot. I have several kiwis on an rustic
> locust overhead t-bar trellis that I built, and that is well and
> good, but I'm out of room and would like to plant more varieties.
> So I've been thinking off and on about trellis alternatives. Two
> ideas seem like workable compromises to me:
>
> 1. Allow them to ramble up a large shrub or small tree. Big trees
> are out of the question because, among other things, fruit will
> be out of reach. Not going there. But a small fast growing
> spherical formed tree seems promising. I came home from a scion
> swap with boku cuttings of amazing fantail willow. It seems to
> meet all of the necessary criteria I can envision, growing
> quickly to a height and breadth of 12 ft. or so (I think),
> perhaps less so when doing battle with vigorous arguta vines.
> Growing quickly and easily from cuttings means I needn't put
> around with establishment, at which point I might as well go
> ahead and build a trellis. I have need of a windbreak, and intend
> to test this theoretical system there. If it works as well as I
> imagine it (on the best days that is) the kiwis will fruit out
> the perimeter of the fantail willow with minimal fussing, and if
> nothing else, the dense tangled growth will make a much better
> windbreak. 2. The second idea is actually stolen-- I saw this
> being done (though accidentally) at a local orchard. The
> aforementioned orchard put in a sizeable arguta kiwi patch, but
> neglected to build trellises for many years. Most rambled along
> the ground, clambering up brambles that grew in the rows. In
> short, it was a total mess. But one happened to have been planted
> next to a single pole perhaps 8 ft. tall. This one vine, as you
> might imagine, climbed the pole, but having reached the top
> assumed a round form almost like a pom pom. It was probably 8 ft
> in diameter, tendrils reaching nearly to the ground, and was
> absolutely festooned with fruit. These fruits occurred only on
> the very outside of the sphere, mind you, but there were an
> unbelievable number of them. I was saddened to learn upon
> returning a couple years hence that the entire planting had been
> removed to make way for more apples. I guess it had been planted
> in a frost pocket and so frequently failed
> to produce. Still the image of that one perfect kiwi covered pom
> pom has stuck with me.
>
> I understand that there are several disadvantages to doing things
> this way. Pruning will be made much more difficult, and picking
> somewhat more so. The leaves of the fantail willow may nearly
> preclude fruiting altogether, though maybe less so with a
> kolomikta. I think the pole idea has real merit, and though I've
> yet to hear of anyone actually doing it on purpose, I know that
> it can work. The key with the pole idea, it seems to me, is to
> make sure that they are spaced widely enough and far enough from
> things to potentially climb, that they instead just make a big
> messy ball. Any thoughts or experiences. -Devin Smith
> Rockingham, VT
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 21:04:05 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> To: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>, nafex mailing list at
> ibiblio
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> The first patch of argots I planted broke the trellis they were
> on and attached themselves to an ash tree, which each year they
> pull over more and more. I still have to use an 8 foot step
> ladder to harvest the top part but it works good. I think if you
> were ahead of the ballgame you could train the tree/trellis by
> anchoring the leader.
>
> With kolomiktas I like to use old metal bedsprings sideways and
> u-bolted to t-posts. I do a couple in a row and it helps create
> a hedge about 4 feet high.
>
> I do almost no pruning whatsoever.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Devin Smith via nafex wrote:
>
>> Maybe its because my kiwis are just starting to bear, but I'm so
>> far convinced that I can't have too many hardy kiwis. The only
>> problem is that trellises require time and money to build, and
>> intensive management to boot. I have several kiwis on an rustic
>> locust overhead t-bar trellis that I built, and that is well and
>> good, but I'm out of room and would like to plant more
>> varieties. So I've been thinking off and on about trellis
>> alternatives. Two ideas seem like workable compromises to me:
>>
>> 1. Allow them to ramble up a large shrub or small tree. Big
>> trees are out of the question because, among other things, fruit
>> will be out of reach. Not going there. But a small fast growing
>> spherical formed tree seems promising. I came home from a scion
>> swap with boku cuttings of amazing fantail willow. It seems to
>> meet all of the necessary criteria I can envision, growing
>> quickly to a height and breadth of 12 ft. or so (I think),
>> perhaps less so when doing battle with vigorous arguta vines.
>> Growing quickly and easily from cuttings means I needn't put
>> around with establishment, at which point I might as well go
>> ahead and build a trellis. I have need of a windbreak, and
>> intend to test this theoretical system there. If it works as
>> well as I imagine it (on the best days that is) the kiwis will
>> fruit out the perimeter of the fantail willow with minimal
>> fussing, and if nothing else, the dense tangled growth will make
>> a much better windbreak. 2. The second idea is actually stolen--
>> I saw this being done (though accidentally) at a local orchard.
>> The aforementioned orchard put in a sizeable arguta kiwi patch,
>> but neglected to build trellises for many years. Most rambled
>> along the ground, clambering up brambles that grew in the rows.
>> In short, it was a total mess. But one happened to have been
>> planted next to a single pole perhaps 8 ft. tall. This one vine,
>> as you might imagine, climbed the pole, but having reached the
>> top assumed a round form almost like a pom pom. It was probably
>> 8 ft in diameter, tendrils reaching nearly to the ground, and
>> was absolutely festooned with fruit. These fruits occurred only
>> on the very outside of the sphere, mind you, but there were an
>> unbelievable number of them. I was saddened to learn upon
>> returning a couple years hence that the entire planting had been
>> removed to make way for more apples. I guess it had been planted
>> in a frost pocket and so frequently failed
>> to produce. Still the image of that one perfect kiwi covered pom
>> pom has stuck with me.
>>
>> I understand that there are several disadvantages to doing
>> things this way. Pruning will be made much more difficult, and
>> picking somewhat more so. The leaves of the fantail willow may
>> nearly preclude fruiting altogether, though maybe less so with a
>> kolomikta. I think the pole idea has real merit, and though I've
>> yet to hear of anyone actually doing it on purpose, I know that
>> it can work. The key with the pole idea, it seems to me, is to
>> make sure that they are spaced widely enough and far enough from
>> things to potentially climb, that they instead just make a big
>> messy ball. Any thoughts or experiences. -Devin Smith
>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2014 17:20:52 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> I have some Kolomiktas that are growing across horizontal trellis
> wires. They seem to want to wrap themselves tightly around the
> wires with many turns. Is this a problem or should I try to
> straighten them out?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 7/2/2014 9:04 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>> The first patch of argots I planted broke the trellis they were
>> on and attached themselves to an ash tree, which each year they
>> pull over more and more. I still have to use an 8 foot step
>> ladder to harvest the top part but it works good. I think if
>> you were ahead of the ballgame you could train the tree/trellis
>> by anchoring the leader.
>>
>> With kolomiktas I like to use old metal bedsprings sideways and
>> u-bolted to t-posts. I do a couple in a row and it helps create
>> a hedge about 4 feet high.
>>
>> I do almost no pruning whatsoever.
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>>
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Devin Smith via nafex wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe its because my kiwis are just starting to bear, but I'm
>>> so far convinced that I can't have too many hardy kiwis. The
>>> only problem is that trellises require time and money to build,
>>> and intensive management to boot. I have several kiwis on an
>>> rustic locust overhead t-bar trellis that I built, and that is
>>> well and good, but I'm out of room and would like to plant more
>>> varieties. So I've been thinking off and on about trellis
>>> alternatives. Two ideas seem like workable compromises to me:
>>>
>>> 1. Allow them to ramble up a large shrub or small tree. Big
>>> trees are out of the question because, among other things,
>>> fruit will be out of reach. Not going there. But a small fast
>>> growing spherical formed tree seems promising. I came home from
>>> a scion swap with boku cuttings of amazing fantail willow. It
>>> seems to meet all of the necessary criteria I can envision,
>>> growing quickly to a height and breadth of 12 ft. or so (I
>>> think), perhaps less so when doing battle with vigorous arguta
>>> vines. Growing quickly and easily from cuttings means I needn't
>>> put around with establishment, at which point I might as well
>>> go ahead and build a trellis. I have need of a windbreak, and
>>> intend to test this theoretical system there. If it works as
>>> well as I imagine it (on the best days that is) the kiwis will
>>> fruit out the perimeter of the fantail willow with minimal
>>> fussing, and if nothing else, the dense tangled growth will
>>> make a much better windbreak.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. The second idea is actually stolen-- I saw this being done
>>> (though accidentally) at a local orchard. The aforementioned
>>> orchard put in a sizeable arguta kiwi patch, but neglected to
>>> build trellises for many years. Most rambled along the ground,
>>> clambering up brambles that grew in the rows. In short, it was
>>> a total mess. But one happened to have been planted next to a
>>> single pole perhaps 8 ft. tall. This one vine, as you might
>>> imagine, climbed the pole, but having reached the top assumed a
>>> round form almost like a pom pom. It was probably 8 ft in
>>> diameter, tendrils reaching nearly to the ground, and was
>>> absolutely festooned with fruit. These fruits occurred only on
>>> the very outside of the sphere, mind you, but there were an
>>> unbelievable number of them. I was saddened to learn upon
>>> returning a couple years hence that the entire planting had
>>> been removed to make way for more apples. I guess it had been
>>> planted in a frost pocket and so frequently failed
>>> to produce. Still the image of that one perfect kiwi covered
>>> pom pom has stuck with me.
>>>
>>> I understand that there are several disadvantages to doing
>>> things this way. Pruning will be made much more difficult, and
>>> picking somewhat more so. The leaves of the fantail willow may
>>> nearly preclude fruiting altogether, though maybe less so with
>>> a kolomikta. I think the pole idea has real merit, and though
>>> I've yet to hear of anyone actually doing it on purpose, I know
>>> that it can work. The key with the pole idea, it seems to me,
>>> is to make sure that they are spaced widely enough and far
>>> enough from things to potentially climb, that they instead just
>>> make a big messy ball. Any thoughts or experiences.
>>>
>>> -Devin Smith
>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2014 22:09:04 -0500
> From: "Hungrytown Dave" <fruitopia@firstva.com>
> To: iling list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] kiwi trellis alternatives
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> I like your single pole idea. I've seen wisteria growing
> similarly, and it was very attractive, almost like a bush.
>
> My method for kiwi is far less attractive, but it leads to lots
> of vine and lots of fruit. I plant them on piles of pruned fruit
> tree branches, fallen large tree limbs, and remnants of trees I
> cut for firewood. Deer hate to step on branch piles, so this
> method protects vines from deer when the vines are young. Plant
> the vines first, just put a pile on top of them or around them.
>
> Small trees grow up through the piles, such as sassafras and
> tulip poplar, and the vines grow up the trees. I cut the trees
> as needed to prevent the vines from getting too high. This
> method is very unruly, but there is little pruning required. One
> vine can cover over 1,500 square feet eventually. You can't get
> to all the fruit, but I don't need to. Two female fuzzies
> together produce about 9 bushels of reachable fruit for me every
> year. Fuzzless (hardy) varieties have much more variable
> production for me, and are harder to see in the thicket.
> ~David Consolvo
> Hungrytown, Virginia
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2014 16:33:57 -0500
> From: "R. Keith Etheridge" <goatdoc@ctitech.com>
> To: <Jwlehman@aol.com>, "nafex mailing list at ibiblio"
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Future of Walnut
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> Hi Jerry
> Thanks for the information that allows me to make a logical
> decision on what might happen with my walnuts in the future.
> My main interest is native fruits and nuts but have some walnuts
> that have value as timber.
> It looks as I will have another bumper American persimmon but
> light pawpaw.
> Keith
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jwlehman--- via nafex
> Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 6:28 AM
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>
>
> In a message dated 6/20/2014 11:13:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> goatdoc@ctitech.com writes:
>
> With the advent of thousand cankers disease will walnut go the
> way of
> American chestnut and ash? It seems most similar to Ash in that
> an insect is
> involved and an insecticide can
> be injected and might become cost effective for timber but
> unlikely for
> nuts, Are the adjoining states doing anything special.
> Keith
> Hello Keith,
>
> I forwarded your question to Jim McKenna, Operational Tree
> Breeder, USDA -
> Forest Service, HTIRC - Purdue University. Jim is helping
> research TCD. He
> is also the Editor for the Indiana Nut & Fruit Growers Assoc.
>
> Here is his answer:
> "For nut production, you can earn income to cover spraying each
> year.
> Timber is not economical to spray.
>
>
> Second, the TCD is native to north America, not exotic like
> chestnut
> blight and Dutch elm disease.
>
>
> Because the disease is native, we have already determined that
> black
> walnut varies in reaction. Thus, resistant trees exist and will
> be naturally
> selected for.
>
>
> Last, this disease is spotty and fluctuates year to year. It
> does not look
> like it can actually wipe out whole stands or regions."
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> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2014 22:36:56 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> The problem with the Nanking Cherry fruit which I had in the
> spring doesn't seem to have affected the amount of fruit I got
> this year. A nice crop.
>
> Dan
>>
>>
>> On 6/11/2014 7:23 AM, Lee Reich wrote:
>>> Probably brown rot, usually not a major problem with Nanking
>>> cherries even though some fruits get infected.
>>>
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>>> http://leereich.com/
>>>
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2014, at 10:15 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have several Nanking Cherry bushes that fruited well last
>>>> year and have set fruit well this year also.
>>>> But, I notice that quite a few fruits appear elongated and
>>>> misshapen with some greyish or brown discoloration.
>>>> Does anyone know what this is, and what I should do about it?
>>>>
>>>> Dan
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> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> Yr making me jealous Dan. I've got a couple 100 Nankings, most of
> them 3-4 years old, they all had good flowering but almost no
> fruit set whatsoever. All I can think is that they are mostly
> insect pollinated rather than wind pollinated since I saw almost
> no wild bees of any kind here in May.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>
>> The problem with the Nanking Cherry fruit which I had in the
>> spring doesn't seem to have affected the amount of fruit I got
>> this year. A nice crop.
>>
>> Dan
>
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> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:05:22 +0000
> From: "Brungardt, Sam (MPCA)" <sam.brungardt@state.mn.us>
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> Subject: [nafex] Fruit project featured at Carrington (North
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> Fruit project featured at Carrington (North Dakota) Center Field
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> one of five tours offered during the North Dakota State
> University Carrington Research ...
>
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> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:44:43 -0700
> From: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>
> To: "nafex@lists.ibiblio.org" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I have
> 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I
> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point, and
> so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds like
> you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible
> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out
> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like
> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be pretty
> important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the season. Any
> ideas what may be going on?
> -Devin Smith
> Rockingham, VT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:05:28 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
> To: Devin Smith <dvidedevo@yahoo.com>, nafex mailing list at
> ibiblio
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house. Last
> year
> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a
> gallon of
> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot. This year they have a couple
> fruit on each of the plants. So I don't think it has anything to
> do
> with compatibility. It tells me that they are not wind
> pollinated,
> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a terrible
> toll
> on polinators.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I have
>> 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I
>> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point,
>> and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds
>> like you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible
>> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out
>> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like
>> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be pretty
>> important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the season. Any
>> ideas what may be going on?
>> -Devin Smith
>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 17:23:44 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> Most showy flowers -- and Nanking flowers are very showy -- are
> insect pollinated. I would go with the too-few-clones theory. I
> have a row of about 10 plants that bloom early and every year for
> the past 20+ years has been loaded with fruits, late frosts
> notwithstanding. Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
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>
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> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
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> On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:05 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>
>> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house. Last
>> year
>> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a
>> gallon of
>> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot. This year they have a couple
>> fruit on each of the plants. So I don't think it has anything
>> to do
>> with compatibility. It tells me that they are not wind
>> pollinated,
>> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a terrible
>> toll
>> on polinators.
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I
>>> have 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I
>>> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point,
>>> and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds
>>> like you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible
>>> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out
>>> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like
>>> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be pretty
>>> important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the season. Any
>>> ideas what may be going on?
>>> -Devin Smith
>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:48:31 -0500
> From: Dan Nave <nave1@comcast.net>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] Problem with Nanking Cherry Fruit
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> Well, I should modify my statement.
>
> I got great fruit yield from one plant, the one with the most
> strange misshapen fruit. The next one in the row had almost
> nothing, and the third had a moderate crop. Last year all three
> had good yield. I think there was a problem with pollination
> because of cloudy cool weather, the one bush must have flowered
> earlier during a few days of better weather. I have two plum
> trees that have only one fruit between them. The weather was
> cool and cloudy as they were blooming.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On 7/7/2014 8:15 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>> Yr making me jealous Dan. I've got a couple 100 Nankings, most
>> of them 3-4 years old, they all had good flowering but almost no
>> fruit set whatsoever. All I can think is that they are mostly
>> insect pollinated rather than wind pollinated since I saw almost
>> no wild bees of any kind here in May.
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>>
>>
>> On Jul 6, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with the Nanking Cherry fruit which I had in the
>>> spring doesn't seem to have affected the amount of fruit I got
>>> this year. A nice crop.
>>>
>>> Dan
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> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:15:39 -0500
> From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> Lee, I don't understand the logic. If I have a planting that is
> almost 20 years old, & every year without fail they are loaded
> with
> fruit EXCEPT for this year, why would the lack of genetic
> variation
> come into play? Also my commercial planting is over 200 plants
> from
> about 4 or 5 different nurseries mixed with Bali cherries. It
> would be
> hard for me to believe that Schumachers, Lawyers, Mussey and
> other
> nurseries wouldn't represent the breadth of the nanking cherry
> germplasm. These plants are all grown out from seed, not tissue
> culture.
>
> And we didn't have any issue this spring with late frosts, our
> issue
> was the coldest winter in recorded history, 50+ days below zero.
> No
> bee life to speak of still around these parts...
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Most showy flowers -- and Nanking flowers are very showy -- are
>> insect pollinated. I would go with the too-few-clones theory. I
>> have a row of about 10 plants that bloom early and every year
>> for the past 20+ years has been loaded with fruits, late frosts
>> notwithstanding.
>>
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>> http://leereich.com/
>>
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:05 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>>
>>> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house.
>>> Last year
>>> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a
>>> gallon of
>>> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot. This year they have a couple
>>> fruit on each of the plants. So I don't think it has anything
>>> to do
>>> with compatibility. It tells me that they are not wind
>>> pollinated,
>>> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a
>>> terrible toll
>>> on polinators.
>>>
>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
>>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I
>>>> have 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings. I
>>>> wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some point,
>>>> and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL, it sounds
>>>> like you should have plenty of opportunities for compatible
>>>> pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop. I've grown out
>>>> some seedlings to get some more diversity, but it sounds like
>>>> that alone may not solve things. I guess distance can be
>>>> pretty important: bugs move a lot slower that early in the
>>>> season. Any ideas what may be going on?
>>>> -Devin Smith
>>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:16:38 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] nanking polliation (poor)
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> I guess, then, it could be bees, or lack thereof.
>
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
>
> On Jul 7, 2014, at 7:15 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>
>> Lee, I don't understand the logic. If I have a planting that is
>> almost 20 years old, & every year without fail they are loaded
>> with
>> fruit EXCEPT for this year, why would the lack of genetic
>> variation
>> come into play? Also my commercial planting is over 200 plants
>> from
>> about 4 or 5 different nurseries mixed with Bali cherries. It
>> would be
>> hard for me to believe that Schumachers, Lawyers, Mussey and
>> other
>> nurseries wouldn't represent the breadth of the nanking cherry
>> germplasm. These plants are all grown out from seed, not tissue
>> culture.
>>
>> And we didn't have any issue this spring with late frosts, our
>> issue
>> was the coldest winter in recorded history, 50+ days below zero.
>> No
>> bee life to speak of still around these parts...
>>
>> ~mIEKAL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Most showy flowers -- and Nanking flowers are very showy -- are
>>> insect pollinated. I would go with the too-few-clones theory. I
>>> have a row of about 10 plants that bloom early and every year
>>> for the past 20+ years has been loaded with fruits, late frosts
>>> notwithstanding.
>>>
>>> Lee Reich, PhD
>>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>>> http://leereich.com/
>>>
>>> Books by Lee Reich:
>>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>>> The Pruning Book
>>> Weedless Gardening
>>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>>> Landscaping with Fruit
>>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2014, at 4:05 PM, mIEKAL aND wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a patch of about 7-8 plants right next to my house.
>>>> Last year
>>>> was extraordinary production, some of the plants yielding a
>>>> gallon of
>>>> fruit, which for Nankings is a lot. This year they have a couple
>>>> fruit on each of the plants. So I don't think it has anything
>>>> to do
>>>> with compatibility. It tells me that they are not wind
>>>> pollinated,
>>>> most assuredly insect pollinated and last winter took a
>>>> terrible toll
>>>> on polinators.
>>>>
>>>> ~mIEKAL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Devin Smith via nafex
>>>> <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org> wrote:
>>>>> I've also noticed a lack of good fruit set on my nanking. I
>>>>> have 10 or so, all suckers from a friend's mature plantings.
>>>>> I wondered if he may have divided clumps of them at some
>>>>> point, and so maybe I only got a couple clones. But mIEKAL,
>>>>> it sounds like you should have plenty of opportunities for
>>>>> compatible pollenizers, and still don't have a good crop.
>>>>> I've grown out some seedlings to get some more diversity, but
>>>>> it sounds like that alone may not solve things. I guess
>>>>> distance can be pretty important: bugs move a lot slower that
>>>>> early in the season. Any ideas what may be going on?
>>>>> -Devin Smith
>>>>> Rockingham, VT
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> Message: 28
> Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 19:25:56 -0500
> From: AK <akmanty@sbcglobal.net>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] girdling
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> Will girdling help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately,
> hopefully fruit as it has neither?
> Karen,zone 5 WI
>
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 21:37:42 -0400
> From: Lee Reich <leeareich@gmail.com>
> To: nafex mailing list at ibiblio <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] girdling
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> Theoretically, yes. But it's too late now to do it.
>
> Lee Reich, PhD
> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
> http://leereich.com/
>
> Books by Lee Reich:
> A Northeast Gardener's Year
> The Pruning Book
> Weedless Gardening
> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
> Landscaping with Fruit
> Grow Fruit Naturally
>
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 8:25 PM, AK wrote:
>
>> Will girdling help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately,
>> hopefully fruit as it has neither?
>> Karen,zone 5 WI
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> Message: 30
> Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 23:59:23 -0400
> From: Ginda Fisher <list@ginda.us>
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> Subject: Re: [nafex] girdling
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> But I tried something along those lines to encourage a tree to
> grow a vegetative branch where I wanted it this spring, and I was
> amazed by how successful it was. I took a pocket knife and cut
> through the bark a little above a bud I wanted to sprout, and it
> did. Looking at the tree, the only other "old" bud that sprouted
> a new branch was one that had a piece of twine rubbing against
> the trunk a little up from the bud.
>
> I was advised to slice below a bud to encourage fruiting, and
> above to encourage vegetative growth. It's worth a try next
> spring.
>
> Ginda
>
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:37 PM, Lee Reich wrote:
>
>> Theoretically, yes. But it's too late now to do it.
>>
>> Lee Reich, PhD
>> Come visit my farmden at http://leereich.blogspot.com/
>> http://leereich.com/
>>
>> Books by Lee Reich:
>> A Northeast Gardener's Year
>> The Pruning Book
>> Weedless Gardening
>> Uncommon Fruits for Every Garden
>> Landscaping with Fruit
>> Grow Fruit Naturally
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2014, at 8:25 PM, AK wrote:
>>
>>> Will girdling help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately,
>>> hopefully fruit as it has neither?
>>> Karen,zone 5 WI
>
>
>
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> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:12:52 -0500
> From: AK <akmanty@sbcglobal.net>
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Scoring
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> Will scoring help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately,
> hopefully fruit as it has had neither?
> Karen,zone 5 WI
>
>
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> Message: 32
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] test
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> No need for anyone to reply. If this comes back I'll know I'm
> once again turned on.
> Jerry
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> Message: 33
> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:34:32 -0500
> From: "Deannie Hughes" <davidndeannie@nctc.com>
> To: "nafex mailing list at ibiblio" <nafex@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: Re: [nafex] Scoring
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> Scoring the trunk 3/4 around one side and about 2 inches above
> scoring3/4 around the other direction will induce flowering. Once
> flowering begins it generally continues.
>
> This works best before extension growth ends in early summer.
>
> Spreading branches can also help to induce bloom. Branches
> approaching 45 degrees from vertical are more prone to flowering
> than more vertical growth.
>
> I scored my Magness pears at 4 years old and they have had pears
> every since.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "AK" <akmanty@sbcglobal.net>
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> Subject: [nafex] Scoring
>
>
>> Will scoring help my pear tree produce flowers and ultimately,
>> hopefully fruit as it has had neither?
>> Karen,zone 5 WI
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> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 07:20:15 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jwlehman@aol.com
> To: nafex@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [nafex] Scoring
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> Hello Karen, etl.
> This article was published in Pomona about 1993. To induce
> fruiting the cut would be made below the branch. See diagram #2
> below. I've sent this before as an attachment but ibibilo
> blocked the attachment and blocked me from sending any messages
> thereafter. Our administrator has me turned on again.
> USING CUTS TO
> INFLUENCE FRUIT TREES
> Jerry Lehman, 7780 Persimmon St. Terre Haute, IN 47802-4994
> One of the places visited while on the 1991 NAFEX trip to Russia
> was the botanical gardens at Kiev. There we saw a lot of work
> being done with form gardening or espalier. Dr. Ivan M. Shaitan
> took us through the gardens and explained what we were seeing.
> He gave us copies of a book he had written titled, Beautiful
> Gardens that Bear. Professor Elena Merenova Who teaches the
> Russian language at a local college contributed by doing the
> direct translation. Elena is an educator not a horticulturist,
> which made translating this subject matter challenging for us.
> If there is sufficient interest within NAFEX members we would be
> willing to translate more of Dr. Shaitan's book.
> Dr. Shaitan wrote: In form gardening we often need to fill
> empty space in the tree being formed. The following methods can
> be used.
>
> CROSSWISE CUTS are made above the buds in order to increase
> their vegetative growth. Cut a strip of bark (3-4 mm) with the
> wood. If the cut is done under the bud it will prevent it from
> forming a vegetative shoot. A cut under a strong branch will
> weaken its growth. We recommend to make the cuts at the end of
> March or at the beginning of April. [Kiev is at about the same
> latitude as Regina, Saskatchewan, with a slightly more moderate
> climate according to my atlas--GW, Pomona Editor]
>
> GROOVlNG CUTS
> can be used to increase the growth in thickness of trunk and
> skeleton branches. Make longitudinal cuts with the help of an
> orchard knife, also remove some sap-wood with the bark. On the
> place of the cut, new tissues will appear and this part will
> become thicker. This type of cutting is made in a faltering
> line.
> Grooving cuts could be used also to treat wounds, tumor growths
> or mechanical damage of the bark. In such cases the cuts are
> made approximately 10 cm (4 inches) above the wounds and end
> below the wound.
> Grooving cuts should be done in the beginning of the vegetative
> period from the northem (shadow) side of the tree. Do not use
> this method on the old trees with broken bark, which grow
> slowly. CIRCULAR CUTS of the bark are recommended for strong
> growing branches in order to turn them into fruiting limbs. The
> accumulation of plastic substances [sugars?] (assimilants)
> results in the forming of flower, buds, In case of the presence
> of pollinated flowers the fruits become bigger and are ripened
> earlier. Circular cuts are also used in the formation of palmates
> on strong central bearers which have overgrown the height of the
> formation of the next layer.
>
> With the help of the orchard knife or special secateurs which can
> take a part of the wood along with the bark, remove the bark
> (4-8 mm wide [0.25 inch, more or less]) in the form of a circle
> or spiral cut. This operation is usually done in Mayor in 20 to
> 30 days after total blossoming of the trees to favor the making
> of flower buds. The wounds from circular cuts heal up (close) in
> one to two years. To improve this process you can cover them
> with grafting wax.
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