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[Jesse Aaron Safir <jesse_safir AT unc.edu>]

Cool...thanks!

> The best option is CrossOver Office. I've been running it for over three
> years now. It's much easier to use than WINE and the educational
> discount is good, http://www.codeweavers.com/products/pricing/, $48.97,
> for one copy, which you can install on as many boxes you want as long as
> they're not being used at the same time.
>
> Andrew
>
> Jesse Aaron Safir wrote:
> > Cristobal,
> >
> > I have VMWare Workstation 5.0.  I've run it on Windows and run Linux
> > inside.  I could also run it on Linux and run Windows inside.  The problem
> > with virtualization like this though is that it's not always easy to share
> > files between the host and guest OSes.  There's also the FREE version of
> > WMWare Virtual Server, which used to be called GSX.  I'm running that on a
> > RHEL4 server now and it works about the same as VMWare Workstation.
> >
> > I'd love to be able to run Windows apps under Linux without having to run
> > a Windows OS inside a VM.  I can try this with WINE if you can point me in
> > the right direction.
> >
> >> On Fri, May 19, 2006 at 01:45:38PM -0400, Jesse Aaron Safir wrote:
> >>> Brian,
> >>>
> >>> What's the difference between CrossOver Office and WINE?
> >> CrossOver is a product of Codeweavers that has a proprietary/restrictive
> >> license, BUT does give you a very nice, relatively usable product 
> >> compared to
> >> the Open Source WINE project.
> >>
> >> If you want the ability to run misc MS/windows apps on your linux 
> >> machine,
> >> what you really want is VMware workstation. That will allow you to run 
> >> the
> >> entire MS operating system inside a virtual machine on your Linux box. 
> >> Don't
> >> attempt this unless you have > 10GB of HD space you can throw at it and 
> >> > 1GB
> >> of RAM on the machine in question. Much less than that and you won't be 
> >> very
> >> happy with the performance of your system.
> >>
> >> Please do note that VMware _also_ has a proprietary/closed/restrictive
> >> license and will "taint" your kernel. If you are running RHEL and getting
> >> support from them, they won't help you with whatever machine you stick it
> >> on (so I hear, anyway). Official support agreements and closed/open 
> >> arguments
> >> aside, VMware workstation is a decent product.
> >>
> >> Keep your eye on Xen, though. Xen is coming along fast and will, with the
> >> right VT CPU hardware, allow for the hosting of unmodified guest 
> >> operating
> >> systems (read: windows).
> >>
> >> -CMP
> >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>>> I will throw in a plug for CrossOver office. It is a very cool product
> >>>> if you have to have it. For nothing else, it's fun to watch the MS
> >>>> Office install do a "reboot" inside a window while the machine keeps
> >>>> right on humming along.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cristobal Palmer wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2006 at 05:48:26PM -0400, Jesse Aaron Safir wrote:
> >>>>>> Greg et al,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How about WINE?  It appears that WINE is included in SuSE Linux 10.1 
> >>>>>> so
> >>>>>> perhaps we don't need CrossOver Office if it's nearly the same 
> >>>>>> thing?  Do
> >>>>>> you know of any good documents or guides that are about getting 
> >>>>>> started
> >>>>>> with WINE?
> >>>>> While there is documentation on how to get started with wine, it is 
> >>>>> not for
> >>>>> the timid or weak, and it is hardly a complete solution, as it is 
> >>>>> always
> >>>>> going to be behind the curve and there will always be 
> >>>>> plugins/extensions for
> >>>>> MS Office that aren't compatible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What's wrong with OpenOffice.org? What do you need to do with MS 
> >>>>> Office that
> >>>>> you can't do with a Linux-native app? If you _must_ use MS Office, 
> >>>>> you will
> >>>>> currently need to purchase Codeweaver's product or perhaps simply run 
> >>>>> an MS
> >>>>> OS under VMware or do a dual boot or...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But again... what are you trying to do that there's not an Open 
> >>>>> Source app?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -CMP
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://en.opensuse.org/Using_Xgl_on_SUSE_Linux
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steps your through the process. It is unclear to me if the i830 is
> >>>>>>> supported. Best thing to do is try. The i845 is supported.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> gregory j pryzby
> >>>>>>> technology specialist
> >>>>>>> office: 703-880-4979
> >>>>>>> gpryzby AT novell.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Novell, Inc.
> >>>>>>> Software for the Open Enterprise
> >>>>>>> http://www.novell.com/open
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2006 at  7:49 PM, in message
> >>>>>>> <Pine.WNT.4.63.0605171936010.2100@vgfqfwnfe40>, Jesse Aaron Safir
> >>>>>>> <jesse_safir AT unc.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Okay so I have SuSE Linux 10.1 from OpenSuSE.org but how do I get
> >>>>>>> this Xgl
> >>>>>>>> stuff working?  Will my ThinkPad R31 support it?  I've got an Intel
> >>>>>>> i830
> >>>>>>>> graphics card and it does say "Activate 3D Acceleration".  What 
> >>>>>>>> else
> >>>>>>> do I
> >>>>>>>> need to do?
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