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["David C. Haley" <dhaley AT tamsco.com>]

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:07:50 +0200
"Mathieu L." <lejatorn AT smgl.homelinux.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 11:32:52AM +0200, Arwed von Merkatz wrote:
> > Hi everyone.
> > 
> > After thinking about the proposed grimoire layout changes for a while and 
> > a
> > recent discussion on irc I'm proposing something completely different :)
> > 
> > Whatever section naming scheme we come up with, it will suck for some
> > ways to look for spells. Currently sections actually define two things: 
> > 1) a
> > broad category, 2) the maintainer. This doesn't really work out. Spells 
> > should
> > be maintained by people who use them, and who uses _all_ possible mail
> > daemons we have in the mail section? We should decide what we want our
> > sections to define, either a category _or_ the maintainer. What I'm
> > proposing now is to make the sections define only the maintainer,
> > together with some changes to sorcery and spells to support that.
> > 
> > We add a new KEYWORDS variable to DETAILS that contains all the keywords
> > that apply to this spell. There will be an official list of keywords that
> > spells can use, no spell should use any other keyword.
> > 
> > scribe reindex extracts all the KEYWORDS from all spells and generates an
> > index file for them for fast keyword searching.
> > 
> > gaze gets some new commands:
> > gaze list-keywords                    -- shows all available keywords
> > gaze keyword <any number of keywords> -- shows all spells that have all 
> > those
> >                                          keywords in their DETAILS
> > This essentially replaces gaze section. Together with gaze search it will 
> > be a
> > comfortable way to look for spells in the grimoire. Keywords will include 
> > stuff
> > like the environment(s) the spell can use, the genre of the spell, 
> > whether it
> > provides a server, ...
> > Some examples for keyword searches:
> > gaze keyword kde mail client
> > gaze keyword audio plugin
> > gaze keyword compiler
> > ...
> > 
> > The keywords replace the categorizing sections we have right now.
> > Sections are just a way to relate spells to maintainers, so we would have
> > sections like eric_sandall, arwed_von_merkatz, ... and a section 
> > unmaintained.
> > Whenever someone decides to maintain a spell from unmaintained he moves 
> > it to
> > his section.
> > This opens up the possiblity of people maintaining a very small set of 
> > spells
> > they care about, which would make it less intimidating for new people to
> > become maintainers.
> > 
> > The one drawback I see with this solution is that we lose the option to 
> > browse
> > the grimoire easily with the shell/filemanagers, but a fast keyword search
> > makes up for that.
> > For other ways to browse the grimoire like the online spell listing it 
> > wouldn't
> > be hard to create that list categorised by keywords, or even with any 
> > arbitrary
> > hierarchy of keywords. For people really wanting a layout on the 
> > filesystem
> > they can browse with the shell it would also be possible to provide a 
> > script
> > that creates a symlink tree that points to the spells in the grimoire but 
> > is
> > divided into directories by keywords.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> I like the possibility of doing:
> `gaze keyword arg1 arg2 ...` but the way to achieve it seems overkill to
> me. Why not simply improve gaze search so that it could take several
> arguments to look up in the long description of the spell? I'm no
> sorcery guru but it seems way simpler to implement that.

I like the idea of the search functionality. I have long wanted something 
like that make it's way into the distro as it would indeed IMHO make things a 
hell of a lot easier and faster to search for.
 
> And I dunno about the maintainer scheme, it seems really non-intuitive.
> Maybe it's efficient though. Perhaps we could try this scheme on an
> experinmental grimoire to see how it works out.

I'm a bit leery about this Maintainer scheme and am unsure as well. I am not 
sure but I do like teh way that it is laid out now. Might just be because I 
am used to where most things are more or less :\

I am all for setting up something like a experimental grimoire as mentioned 
above to one let people see first hand what you mean and how it will look, 
and if nothing else slowly get us used to it so should it be agreed by all 
that it will be implemented the change would be as much of a shell shock as 
it would have if things are just changed over night.

as said below...just my two cents on teh matter.

Regards,

SilverS

> Just my 2 cents,
> 
> Mathieu.
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