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[Hamish Greig <hgreig AT bigpond.net.au>]

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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:34, Eric Schabell wrote:
> Not everyone has the time or ability to attend meetings... if they go
> any earlier or later I would not be there. It remains free time we all
> spend.

Yes that is why I said proxy voting would be accepted. What is not 
acceptable, 
is deciding not to become involved in decisions, then expecting people to 
revisit the issue later when you are ready, for no good reason. As I said, 
being unhappy with something and offering an alternative is different from 
being bitchy and criticising unconstructively.

> I am looking back on how far this distro has come and it has all
> happened w/o becoming little generals and treating our developers as
> children.

I agree we have achieved a lot. I also know that except for a few hardcore 
developers we have had a lot of trouble keeping hold of people. It would be 
beneficial to create a more robust infrastructure and to seed our future 
roadmap with regular achievable goals, which can be discussed and adapted by 
each new group of developers, and will give everyone involved in each goal's 
achievement the boost to morale that this project has been lacking for a long 
time.

> I agree that the problems in a group should be taken care of by the Team
> Leads. Period. It is up to them, their responsibility.
>
> I would rather see Grimoire Leads dealing with Grimoire problems, Web
> Leads with web/tome, on down the line.
>

Yes, as ISO lead I will deal with any problems in my team. But each team is 
not a separate entity, it is another limb of the SMGL body. Limbs have to 
function together or the result is crippling. SO all team members should be 
allowed/ encouraged to take an interest in other teams products. A top notch 
sorcery will not make up for a seriously flawed stable grimoire or an 
installer that won't boot.

> If I look at the amount of moaning lately I have about had it. We are
> working towards a 1.0 release this month, nothing more, nothing less. It
> is an accumulation of work done by past and present developers. It would
> be better to respect their contributions (how big or how small) and
> continue to move forward.

One man's moaning is another's warning, I was seeking to reassure developers 
by letting them know we are aware of some problems and that we fully intend 
to restructure and address these concerns after the 1.0 release (you must 
have noted I said it was not something to discuss now).
I don't want to chastise developers and pressure people into submitting 
shoddy 
work in the rush to 1.0 just because our roadmap says we have to release 1.0 
on the 31st of February 2004. Our goal is our first *stable* release, not 
just *another* release.It should be a landmark, but if you don't care about 
it's stability or functionality we can run a sed script on 0.8.0 (the one 
with the simpleinit bug) and call it 1.0 and be done with all the fuss. 

> Let's try to put our energy into existing bugs, problems within your own
> Teams, etc... and get 1.0 out on time. I do not want to hear any excuses
> about delaying because "wouldn't it be great to have <fill in your
> favorite missing functionality> in too...". No! We have all agreed on
> the roadmap, we ARE going to release 1.0 this month (or a bit later if
> there is a really good reason).

My energy is well directed, I have just spent almost a full day fixing 0.9.1 
ISO for release. I will continue my work over the next month, have no fear of 
that.

> Now come on team, let's quit wasting all this energy (30+ mails on
> lists each day I am getting the last week or so) on the little things we
> can live with, and change the things we need to (see bugzilla). There is
> plenty of time post-1.0 to move your Teams in any direction you wish.
>
> This is a great distro and I have worked on it a long time... it is time
> for 1.0, whether we are as ready as another distro is besides the point,
> we are more than ready (I have never had to reinstall a machine with
> SMGL... EVER! Bet you can't say that to me about RH/Mandrake/<fill in your
> distro>
>
> Please let's point all our noses into the same direction, towards 1.0
> release this month?
>
> erics

I think this is a great distro too. I am having a lot of problems lately 
though, I have spent whole days recovering from some recent problems, only to 
have another problem hose the system all over again. I don't wish to compare 
our list of features to those of any other distro, I just want our distro to 
be stable, and truly deserving of the title "1.0" when we do release it.

Hamish 
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