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> On 29 May 2017, at 10:12 am, Robyn Francis <robyn@permaculture.com.au> 
> wrote:
> 
> i do wonder why the ongoing negativity, especially after reading 
> Christopher’s response.
> 
> It’s easy to be naysayer and point vaguely to a couple of permabiz 
> personalites, but they have little opportunity to dominate the agenda at an 
> IPC amongst so many other voices from all over the permaculture world.  
> Have you looked at the line up of speakers for this IPC? 
> http://ipcindia2017.org/speakers.php <http://ipcindia2017.org/speakers.php> 
>  
> 
> I try to get to IPCs when I can afford the time and find the money. Like 
> the majority of folk who base their livelihood on permaculture work I live 
> a modest lifestyle and have little in the way of ‘disposable income’ to 
> spend on trips and conferences. I’ve managed to attend 7 of the 12 IPCs 
> since the first one here in Australia in 1994. For 2 of these I’ve helped 
> cross-subsidise my attendance by teaching some courses in that part of the 
> world to help cover travel costs. 
> 
> I admire and support the work of Wes and Margarethe and the IPC support 
> group that work so hard to raise funds to support people from poor nations 
> to get to IPCs.  It’s these subsidised attendees that are the most 
> inspiring speakers, doing incredible work and making a huge difference for 
> the lives of so many people, some for their entire nation, often in extreme 
> financial hardship and severe resource constraints.  Christopher mentioned 
> just a few of these in his email. 
> 
> For the last IPC in the UK I nominated Ego Lemos from East Timor, one of 
> the poorest nations on the planet, to be awarded a scholarship to attend.  
> Ego is truly a permaculture hero that probably most people on this list 
> have never heard of.  Ego did a PDC when Steve Cran went to East Timor 
> after the Indonesians left (leaving a war zone of devastation, pillage, 
> bloodshed and disaster) in 1999-2000. Ego set up Permatil (permaculture NGO 
> for East Timor). Since then he has done incredible work with youth, 
> villagers, farmers, schools, women and permaculture education.  With a 
> small team of committed Australian volunteers Permatil wrote and published 
> a fantastic permaculture book - originally written in English, translated 
> into Indonesian and also one of the very few books translated into Tetun 
> (language of East Timor). The Timorese government has distributed a copy of 
> the book to every agriculture extension officer in the country. Ego is 
> writing a curriculum for permaculture to be taught in all schools in East 
> Timor. He is now a valued advisor to the Minister of Agriculture and 
> Minister of Education. Permatil is crowd-funding to publish an updated 
> version of the book as “Tropical Permaculture Guidebook” available for free 
> download, chapter by chapter, as PDFs, as East Timor’s gift to the world. 
> http://permacultureguidebook.org/ <http://permacultureguidebook.org/>  and 
> you guys are quibbling about donating $20 (hopefully more) towards 
> sponsoring such folk to the IPC cos somewhere on the planet there’s a 
> couple of PC personalities you don’t like. Give me a break
> 
> The stories of people like Ego, who have struggled against incredible odds, 
> are what gets shared when we support delegates to IPCs. The sharing of 
> works both ways, sponsored people go home with new courage, confidence and 
> an arsenal of new information and everyone else is infused with hope and 
> gratitude for those who are dedicating their lives to make this a better 
> and more humane world. 
> 
> It’s important to get out of our little bubbles and see what the rest of 
> the permie world is doing. 
> 
> Please don’t be miserly nay-sayer. If everyone chipped in a few dollars to 
> show their support for our amazing pioneers in difficult places, this IPC 
> could be a game changer for many communities around the world. 
> 
> Many of these permies earn a pittance ($50-$100/month) and without our 
> support would not have this opportunity, for many it is a 
> once-in-a-lifetime privilege to travel and attend something like this. 
> 
> Here’s the link again to make your donation 
> https://www.crowdrise.com/fundraiser/campaign-updates/1308928#!/status/1 
> <https://www.crowdrise.com/fundraiser/campaign-updates/1308928#!/status/1>
> 
> 
> Robyn Francis
> Permaculture College Australia Inc
> Djanbung Gardens, Nimbin NSW
> Professional Development and
> Community Education in Permaculture.
> robyn@permaculture.com.au
> www.permaculture.com.au
> 
>> On 29 May 2017, at 8:37 am, Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 5:53 PM, christopher nesbitt <
>> christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have to back Wesley on this and take issue with the objections and
>>> attacks on both the IPC, in general, and, especially, these scholarships.
>>> The attack made by Lawrence and then half supported by Steve are coming
>>> from people who have not seen or feel he benefit of this kind of support.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I
>>> am, honestly, very surprised at the open hostility to bringing in people
>>> from the developing world to the IPC in India.
>>> 
>> 
>> Noone did that; you made it up; noone has any objections to bring in 3rd
>> world people to an IPC. Its just a matter of the quality of that IPC and
>> those who dominate the agenda....for  big profits from Permaculture for
>> themselves, at all costs, nevermind the effect on the International
>> community./
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Lawrence F. London, Jr.
>> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
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