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[Kelda Lorax <kelda@riseup.net>]

Okay, although I wish I still had the original message. For brevity's 
sake I chose not to tell you how much I disagreed with you then, but I 
will now.

Your definitions are based on thing like Oxford Dictionary being written 
primarily by white men,
http://www.diversityinc.com/ask-the-white-guy/ask-the-white-guy-is-the-oxford-dictionary-definition-of-racism-too-white-for-you/

so no your definitions are not correct.

My 'generalization' about white people being racist is standard 
anti-racism discourse among the people who study racism and are in the 
trenches about how to dismantle it.

Feel free to think I'm just wrong personally, but it's not going to make 
you any less anti-racist!! I'm pretty sure everyone on this list wants 
to be less racist, so whether you like how it's said or not, if you want 
to get into the trenches too, use this as a time for further study.

Kelda


On 2017-05-02 09:06, Darrell E. Frey wrote:
> What I said was that broad generalized statements are generally
> misleading at the least and usually false. I supplied definitions of
> terms prejudice and racist. And I said that if you say all people of
> Western European ancestry are racist you are making a false statement
> and there is no basis to communicate.
> I made no inference to your intellect.
>
>
> Darrell E. Frey
>
> Three Sisters Farm
>
> defrey@bioshelter.com
>
> www.bioshelter.com
>
>
>
> Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society
> Publishing, 2011
>
> On Tue, 02 May 2017 07:55:03 -0500, Kelda Lorax  wrote:
>
> I'm tired of it being okay for older men to pick on me when I disagree.
> I know I'm supposed to defer, but my strategy is just to remember. No
> lawsuit here, but people DO ask me my opinions of other people in the
> permaculture community, especially as it pertains to social justice
> lens. It's called 'digging your own hole'.
>
> Darrel Frey (I think?) said of my comment about white people being
> racist was something like "what a load of bullcrap, what idiot 
> thinks up
> this stuff?" erked me.
> Academics working on anti-racism have thought it up by the way, which I
> echo. I let it go. But Lawrence, that was okay? You probably have 
> access
> to exact wording. Or it might have been you that said it.
>
> And when Christopher said "self righteous self flagellating
> masturbation" that was too much for me. Crude, personal. But not 
> for you
> Lawrence?
>
> I see Chris has a private email to me that I've only glanced at. But in
> case you're thinking of dropping me from the list, how many insults are
> we supposed to accept before saying that we'll remember?? I am not 
> going
> to recommend people travel to Belize to take his PDC if a student wants
> to learn from a strong social justice lens. Jason, is that a threat? I
> could have been more clear in exactly how the mayor lost his job, maybe
> you were thinking I was threatening a smear campaign. No, nor is it
> necessary. Lots of students want to learn from people who see
> permaculture through a strong social justice lens. Just as lots of
> people want to vote against a mayor who uses insults as a way of 
> getting
> things done.
>
> Kelda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2017-05-02 03:02, Lawrence London wrote:
> > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Kelda Lorax  wrote:
> >
> > > Now I have opinions of you two and will not hesitate to share this
> > > interaction with whoever asks. I'm noting who and exactly what was
> > > demonstrated as personal rudeness to me. The ex-mayor of my town can
> > > tell
> > > you buckets about how you lose your job when you're rude to me
> >
> >
> > Threatening other list members will not be tolerated. Break _that_ 
> > rule
> > and
> > offending member will wind up in the permanently banned filter list.
> >
> > Highhanded rants like that give me th willies. I had thought Vlad's
> > freewheeling lawsuit-happy behavior would have been enough for anyone
> > as an example of how not to behave in a gathering place for
> > Permaculturists.
> >
> > LL.
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