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["Darrell E. Frey" <defrey@bioshelter.com>]

What I said was that broad generalized statements are generally misleading at 
the least and usually false. I supplied definitions of terms prejudice and 
racist. And I said that if you say all people of Western European ancestry 
are racist you are making a false statement and there is no basis to 
communicate.
I made no inference to your intellect.


Darrell E. Frey

Three Sisters Farm

defrey@bioshelter.com

www.bioshelter.com



Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society 
Publishing, 2011

On Tue, 02 May 2017 07:55:03 -0500, Kelda Lorax  wrote:

I'm tired of it being okay for older men to pick on me when I disagree. 
I know I'm supposed to defer, but my strategy is just to remember. No 
lawsuit here, but people DO ask me my opinions of other people in the 
permaculture community, especially as it pertains to social justice 
lens. It's called 'digging your own hole'.

Darrel Frey (I think?) said of my comment about white people being 
racist was something like "what a load of bullcrap, what idiot thinks up 
this stuff?" erked me.
Academics working on anti-racism have thought it up by the way, which I 
echo. I let it go. But Lawrence, that was okay? You probably have access 
to exact wording. Or it might have been you that said it.

And when Christopher said "self righteous self flagellating 
masturbation" that was too much for me. Crude, personal. But not for you 
Lawrence?

I see Chris has a private email to me that I've only glanced at. But in 
case you're thinking of dropping me from the list, how many insults are 
we supposed to accept before saying that we'll remember?? I am not going 
to recommend people travel to Belize to take his PDC if a student wants 
to learn from a strong social justice lens. Jason, is that a threat? I 
could have been more clear in exactly how the mayor lost his job, maybe 
you were thinking I was threatening a smear campaign. No, nor is it 
necessary. Lots of students want to learn from people who see 
permaculture through a strong social justice lens. Just as lots of 
people want to vote against a mayor who uses insults as a way of getting 
things done.

Kelda







On 2017-05-02 03:02, Lawrence London wrote:
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Kelda Lorax  wrote:
> 
>> Now I have opinions of you two and will not hesitate to share this
>> interaction with whoever asks. I'm noting who and exactly what was
>> demonstrated as personal rudeness to me. The ex-mayor of my town can 
>> tell
>> you buckets about how you lose your job when you're rude to me
> 
> 
> Threatening other list members will not be tolerated. Break _that_ rule 
> and
> offending member will wind up in the permanently banned filter list.
> 
> Highhanded rants like that give me th willies. I had thought Vlad's
> freewheeling lawsuit-happy behavior would have been enough for anyone
> as an example of how not to behave in a gathering place for 
> Permaculturists.
> 
> LL.
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