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  • From: <scott@permaculture.org>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] PC - Bill Mollison's Designer's Manual on Ethics, "permaculture nation" and "to guard human rights everywhere"
  • Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 14:54:23 -0600

Joao, thanks for your contribution. I just read your website link and was
impressed with what you have done and are attempting. I will be at the Boom
Fest in your country next month, hope to see you there.

Scott

> -------Original Message-------
> From: joao pedro goncalves <joaovox@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, pt-diploma
> <pt-diploma@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] PC - Bill Mollison's Designer's Manual on Ethics,
> "permaculture nation" and "to guard human rights everywhere"
> Sent: Jul 16 '16 07:47
>
> Quoting:
>
>
> 142
>
> ETHICAL BASIS OF AN
> ALTERNATIVE NATION
>
> A people without an agreed-upon common basis to
> their actions is neither a community nor a nation. A
> people with a common ethic is a nation wherever they
> live. Thus, the place of habitation is secondary to a
> shared belief in the establishment of an harmonious
> world community. Just as we can select a global range
> of plants for a garden, we can select from all extant
> ethics and beliefs those elements that we see to be
> sustainable, useful, and beneficial to life and to our
> community. It would appear that:
>
> • Sustainable societies emphasise the duties and
> responsibilities of people to nature equal to those of people
> to people; that any code relates equally to other
> Itfeforms and elements of landscape. To conduct oneself
> only in terms of response to other people gives a
> potential to evade responsibility for damage inflicted
> on the total resource base, and thus ultimately to others. " (...)
>
>
> 143
> (...)
> "Most nations in the United Nations repress a majorityof peoples on earth.
>
> Talking with Thomas Banyaca, a Hopi messenger of his people,
> it became clear to me that we need a new concept of "nation", and a
> new representative
> body to speak for them.
>
>
> We start by defining a nation as a people subscribing to a common ethic,
> and aspiring to a similar culture.
>
> Such nations may not have a common land base, or language, but do
> have a common ethic, minimally;
>
> • To care for the earth; to repair and conserve;
>
> • To seek peace, and to guard human rights every-
> where; and
>
> • To invest all capital, intelligence, goodwill, and
> labour to these ends."
>
> *• To care for the earth; to repair and conserve; *
>
> *• To seek peace, and to guard human rights every-
> where; and
>
> • To invest all capital, intelligence, goodwill, and
> labour to these ends."*
>
>
>
>
> https://archive.org/details/permaculture_Bill_Moln-PERMACULTURE_A_Designers_Manual
>
>
> https://archive.org/stream/permaculture_Bill_Moln-PERMACULTURE_A_Designers_Manual/Bill_Mollison-PERMACULTURE_A_Designers_Manual_djvu.txt
>
>
> I hope it will trigger reflection and help clarify some points in my
> previous email on Forced Organ Harvest in China and the answer to the new
> "genocide sector" brought by our duty to guard human rights everywhere.
> (this statement needs further enquiry)
>
>
> Big mistake:
>
> Genocide and forced organ harvest is not just "another example of human
> cruelty, of the thousands that we are all aware of, does not add to our
> grasp of permaculture."
>
>
>
> Do not take your limited freedom for granted, we had world war II with the
> sacrifice of many soldiers who were or could have been ecological farmers
> and earth care activists.
>
> When there is genocide going, ecology people work towards end of genocide.
> That is the permaculture ethic stated by Bill Mollison.
>
>
> This changes a bit the perspective and might sound weird but:
> Could your permaculture, human rights activism, Christian, Budhist, Muslim
> or other religious practice stop a Nazi war type offense?
>
> Care for people also means there is going to be a armed police in your
> neighborhood and a military force to save you and your children from
> corrupted and criminal organisations that will kill you for your organs.
> Yes, we should not stop dreaming of a world without violence by walking the
> talk.
>
> Do not throw way the baby with the bath water, and not deny your
> response-ability in case you agree "to guard human rights everywhere ...
> with all capital, intelligence, goodwill, and labour"  ...
>
> "Ethics", not ecological principles, are the core of Permaculture and all
> your actions and needs will be measured against your stated ethic.
> Practice of ecological principles will be followed after human rights and
> people care duties have been accomplished.
> In this case, put the criminal in the jail and only then you will put him
> to work in the garden, plant trees, prune the pawpaw, keep goats,
> learn how to design, implicit or in the proccess a new human being will be
> learning about ethics without realising he is doing such.
>
> Not always but, in this case you need justice first and then mercy ...
>
> <https://permacultureglobal.org/projects/1118-mountain-steep-permaculture-permacultura-em-declive-de-montanha>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> --
> João Gonçalves
>
> "Ao comprar ou consumir de forma ética também está a intervir na paisagem e
> a decidir quem tem trabalho."
>
> "Eating is an agricultural act"  -  "Comer é um acto agrícola" - Wendell
> Berry
>
> "Permacultura (Cultura Permanente) é um sistema ético de design ecológico."
>
> (+351) 96 96 80 009
> Chão Sobral - Oliveira do Hospital - Serra do Açor - Portugal
> http://ecotrabalho.com/
> http://permacultureglobal.com/users/902-joao-goncalves
> http://chaosobral.org/index_pt.htm
> http://www.youtube.com/joaovox
> http://agricultura-familiar-tradicional.blogspot.pt
> https://picasaweb.google.com/joaovox
> http://picasaweb.google.pt/uniprochaosobral
>
> Para descobrir:
> Documentário "Alface" na Aldeia das Amoreiras
> http://vimeo.com/58999047
> Permacultura na Serra do Açor - Portugal
> http://permaculturinginportugal.net/blog/
> "Comida que nunca acaba" / Permacultura no Malawi
> http://www.neverendingfood.org/
> Centro de Ecologia Integral
> http://www.integralecology.org
> Nyumbani - Kenya
> http://www.nyumbani.org/about-us
>
>
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