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[DONKA RADEVA <donnybg@yahoo.com>]

Thank you, amazing, will quote! A lot of valuable learning from this forum, 
thanks!

Donka Radeva,
Bulgaria 

    On Saturday, July 16, 2016 4:50 PM, joao pedro goncalves 
<joaovox@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 Quoting:


142

ETHICAL BASIS OF AN
ALTERNATIVE NATION

A people without an agreed-upon common basis to
their actions is neither a community nor a nation. A
people with a common ethic is a nation wherever they
live. Thus, the place of habitation is secondary to a
shared belief in the establishment of an harmonious
world community. Just as we can select a global range
of plants for a garden, we can select from all extant
ethics and beliefs those elements that we see to be
sustainable, useful, and beneficial to life and to our
community. It would appear that:

• Sustainable societies emphasise the duties and
responsibilities of people to nature equal to those of people
to people; that any code relates equally to other
Itfeforms and elements of landscape. To conduct oneself
only in terms of response to other people gives a
potential to evade responsibility for damage inflicted
on the total resource base, and thus ultimately to others. " (...)


143
(...)
"Most nations in the United Nations repress a majorityof peoples on earth.

Talking with Thomas Banyaca, a Hopi messenger of his people,
 it became clear to me that we need a new concept of "nation", and a
new representative
body to speak for them.


 We start by defining a nation as a people subscribing to a common ethic,
and aspiring to a similar culture.

Such nations may not have a common land base, or language, but do
have a common ethic, minimally;

• To care for the earth; to repair and conserve;

• To seek peace, and to guard human rights every-
where; and

• To invest all capital, intelligence, goodwill, and
labour to these ends."

*• To care for the earth; to repair and conserve; *

*• To seek peace, and to guard human rights every-
where; and

• To invest all capital, intelligence, goodwill, and
labour to these ends."*



https://archive.org/details/permaculture_Bill_Moln-PERMACULTURE_A_Designers_Manual

https://archive.org/stream/permaculture_Bill_Moln-PERMACULTURE_A_Designers_Manual/Bill_Mollison-PERMACULTURE_A_Designers_Manual_djvu.txt


I hope it will trigger reflection and help clarify some points in my
previous email on Forced Organ Harvest in China and the answer to the new
"genocide sector" brought by our duty to guard human rights everywhere.
(this statement needs further enquiry)


Big mistake:

Genocide and forced organ harvest is not just "another example of human
cruelty, of the thousands that we are all aware of, does not add to our
grasp of permaculture."



Do not take your limited freedom for granted, we had world war II with the
sacrifice of many soldiers who were or could have been ecological farmers
and earth care activists.

When there is genocide going, ecology people work towards end of genocide.
That is the permaculture ethic stated by Bill Mollison.


This changes a bit the perspective and might sound weird but:
Could your permaculture, human rights activism, Christian, Budhist, Muslim
or other religious practice stop a Nazi war type offense?

Care for people also means there is going to be a armed police in your
neighborhood and a military force to save you and your children from
corrupted and criminal organisations that will kill you for your organs.
Yes, we should not stop dreaming of a world without violence by walking the
talk.

Do not throw way the baby with the bath water, and not deny your
response-ability in case you agree "to guard human rights everywhere ...
with all capital, intelligence, goodwill, and labour"  ...

"Ethics", not ecological principles, are the core of Permaculture and all
your actions and needs will be measured against your stated ethic.
Practice of ecological principles will be followed after human rights and
people care duties have been accomplished.
In this case, put the criminal in the jail and only then you will put him
to work in the garden, plant trees, prune the pawpaw, keep goats,
 learn how to design, implicit or in the proccess a new human being will be
learning about ethics without realising he is doing such.

Not always but, in this case you need justice first and then mercy ...
<https://permacultureglobal.org/projects/1118-mountain-steep-permaculture-permacultura-em-declive-de-montanha>

Best regards,



-- 
João Gonçalves

"Ao comprar ou consumir de forma ética também está a intervir na paisagem e
a decidir quem tem trabalho."

"Eating is an agricultural act"  -  "Comer é um acto agrícola" - Wendell
Berry

"Permacultura (Cultura Permanente) é um sistema ético de design ecológico."

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Para descobrir:
Documentário "Alface" na Aldeia das Amoreiras
http://vimeo.com/58999047
Permacultura na Serra do Açor - Portugal
http://permaculturinginportugal.net/blog/
"Comida que nunca acaba" / Permacultura no Malawi
http://www.neverendingfood.org/
Centro de Ecologia Integral
http://www.integralecology.org
Nyumbani - Kenya
http://www.nyumbani.org/about-us


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<div>Well, I made charts for my location. My dodgy maths has an error 
somewhere, because the sun is about 60 degrees at midday on midsummer, and 
only 18 degrees in mid winter. That&#39;s 42 degrees, whereas my dodgy math 
had a figure of 23 degrees. I suspect it might be +/-23 degrees, and not 
+/-11.5 degrees as I mentioned</div>

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<div>With that scarcity of sun (which is always behind a cloud here in any 
event), is it any wonder people get S.A.D. here?&nbsp;</div>

<div>Regards,</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>

<div>Declan Moriarty</div>

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<div>Sent on specially booted old PC, in order to trim quoted messages as 
requested. Sorry but no facility t trim crud on tablet</div>

<div>&nbsp;
<div name="quote" style="margin:10px 5px 5px 10px; padding: 10px 0 10px 10px; 
border-left:2px solid #C3D9E5; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: 
space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Greetings from Nova Scotia. 
Your &quot;dodgy&quot; math is essentially correctand the reverse of how 
mariners have calculated their latitude from thesun&#39;s position and noon.
<div name="quoted-content">There is a really good one at the University of 
Oregon&#39;s Solar Radiation<br/>
Monitoring Lab.<br/>
<a href="http://solardat.uoregon.edu/SunChartProgram.html"; 
target="_blank">http://solardat.uoregon.edu/SunChartProgram.html</a><br/>
<br/>
&gt; If the earth&#39;s position is exactly level with the sun, , it should 
be possible to calculate the Sun&#39;s max and Min points 
for&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</div>

<div name="quoted-content">&gt; any site from&nbsp; one&#39;s latitude.<br/>
&gt; /Begin dodgy math calculations<br/>
&gt;<br/>
&gt; /End dodgy maths calculations.<br/>
&gt;<br/>
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