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[DONKA RADEVA <donnybg@yahoo.com>]

Hi to all permies,
 
I have a question which I cannot fully solve till now. As you are with a 
greater experience in permaculture, could somebody explain me what are the 
slight or bigger differences between permaculture, biodynamic agriculture, 
agroecology and agroforestry?
I see very common things among them in the agriculture practices they offer 
to the farmers and cannot fully understand what are the main differencies? 
One is sure - all they are organic and support polyculture versus monoculture!
I have seen some excellent examples of farms on permaculture principles, but 
they name themselves agroecology farms - why is that?
 
Thanks a lot!
 
 
Donka Radeva,
Bulgaria
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Thanks Spira...I can feel your dilemma. It will be a challenge with only 36
hours in the day you may need to find a few more to work on thisn through
this very critical phase. Without knowing the details it is difficult to
offer input apart from donations of cash, which we do not have any of.
Other options that could be considered are
1 That the school is taken over by Permaculture enthusiasts and converted
into an excellent model.
2. Approaches to other existing healthy universities around the world to
invite them as Joint Venture partners to assist in building / rebuilding
the school. eg Hohenheim Stutgart Germany or Wagenengin Holand or
University of Life Sciences Prague who are recognised as leaders in europe
at least if not the world in Organic Agriculture.
Martina and I are meeting up with an old friend in Bucharest on saturday
and alo a visit to one of Romanian's leading universities who offer
Ecologiacal Agriculture. From all insights so far they may be the most
advanced in the world.
4. You could also approach IFOAM to seek support of many different
dimensions.
So there we have a few ideas without even much stimulation. Who are the top
20 wealthiest people in Norway...put on your pin striped suit and go nd
knock on their door, or invite them to a breakfast meeting at their
favourite cafe.

Just as an aside and more a query than a critique. I notice by the photos
you send of some images of the farm that there is considerable tillage by
plough and other implements and also use of plastic in your strawberries.
IMOP this is a long way from best practices of organic. And, certainly not
what I promote in my organic teachings. Maybe those photos need to be
changed to show more truer/purist  implementation of organic principles.

Keep me posted

Warm regards

Steve Hart

On 12 November 2014 23:28, Spira Svendsen <spirasvendsen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Steve
>
> Nice to hear from you again! I am really sorry, but I don't have capacity
> to reply thoroughly. I am the only person working on this (!), with a
> little help here and there, and no, there is no master plan around. The
> campaign wasn't even thought of when I arrived here in mid-September, and
> everything is urgently planned from day to day here. There will be a
> political decision in the beginning of December that might decide the
> future of the school, and my job is to make the campaign as well-known an=
d
> popular as possible before that. I really have a minimum of resources
> available, and time is what I have the least of - working literally all d=
ay
> long every day. I will get back to you in December/January if we decide t=
o
> make an international campaign, in that case I will insist on having some
> time to make a clear strategy beforehand!
>
> November 29th will be an incredibly exciting day, I've managed to mobiliz=
e
> all 19 counties with one or more events with the aim of raising money and
> awareness. Looking forward to the media coverage!
>
> All the best,
> Spira
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow...Spira..what a job. All the power to you. It needs to be put out to
>> a wider audience and all audiences need to be invited in a positive way =
to
>> become friends of the school. We need to hear a lot more details to figu=
re
>> out what inputs are needed.
>>
>> I assume you have put it out to all you networks already ?
>>
>> Is there a specific website set up and is there a log in and blog for on
>> going discussion ? Perhaps a fully detailed strategic plan is needed. Ha=
ve
>> you created this yet ? Perhaps a collective brainstorm on skype could
>> assist. What is your strategic plan so far ? Are you steering this campa=
ign
>> or part of a committee / collective / group ?
>>
>> What's the full history ? Why has it come to this state ? Have you
>> considered amalgamating or setting up as a satellite or in collaboration=
 ?
>>
>> Look fwd to more lots more detailed information.
>>
>> Steve Hart
>>
>> On 12 November 2014 15:02, Spira Svendsen <spirasvendsen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have the absurd job of leading a campaign that is trying to save the
>>> only Norwegian organic school of agriculture. Absurd because Norway is =
one
>>> of the richest countries in the world, and still the government doesn't
>>> want to pay the necessary costs for upgrading the school buildings (the=
y
>>> have to be upgraded to meet today's standards - if not, the school will=
 be
>>> shut down by law). I am also a student at this wonderful school, and ev=
en
>>> though they already have some permaculture implemented in the curriculu=
m
>>> and on site, I have planned together with the Norwegian permaculture
>>> association of how we can make this school become the big permaculture
>>> arena of Norway - or maybe even of the Nordic countries.
>>>
>>> The plan is that the PDC will become a mandatory part of the curriculum=
,
>>> and that there will be additional PDCs during summer + advanced design
>>> courses during summer and hopefully an EDE. Also, we are hoping to orga=
nize
>>> Nordic meetings and festivals here - and why not an EuPC? There have
>>> already been several meetings about this, and I see it as very likely t=
hat
>>> permaculture will become an even much greater part of the school than i=
t is
>>> today.
>>>
>>> But first, the school needs to be rescued! I know most permies don't
>>> have an awful lot of money to spare, but I will ask you all to read thi=
s
>>> page to learn more about the school (and watch the video to get to know=
 it
>>> even better) - and consider if you are able to contribute a bit. For no=
w,
>>> the campaign is mostly national, but we are considering an internationa=
l
>>> campaign from January/February, perhaps with hashtags like
>>> #embarrasstherich or #isntitironic. Yeah, isn't it ironic? We are build=
ing
>>> lots of schools in other countries, while shutting down the most valuab=
le
>>> one we have at home! I'm not proud of being Norwegian at the moment ...
>>>
>>> http://www.vennsjh.com/call-for-organic-action/
>>>
>>> Please feel free to share the page / this email with your
>>> permaculture/organic network!
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Spira Svendsen
>>> #embarrassednorwegian
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kia ora
>>
>> [image: Picture]
>> *Steve Hart*
>> Ecology Architect
>> Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
>> Environments
>> Skype: stevenlawrencehart
>> Phone: +420 728 799 115
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>
>
>
> --
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> Sogn Jord- og Hagebruksskule Venneforening
> Skulevegen 24, 5745 Aurland
>
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> www.vennsjh.com
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>



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Kia ora

[image: Picture]
*Steve Hart*
Ecology Architect
Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments
Skype: stevenlawrencehart
Phone: +420 728 799 115
Permaculture Global Design:
www.permacultureglobaldesign.org
The Permaculture College of Europe.
www.permaculturecollege.eu
GAPPS The Global Alliance for Permaculture Partnerships and Solutions.
www.permaculturepartnerships.com