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[loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>]

Thank you Scott, as this topic is another elephant in the room.  

I am wondering- assuming we can agree to a course curriculum and standards- 
how do we enforce them?  Or, is that an end goal?  Without ownership of the 
name anybody can use it as they like, like Vlad et al.

Or is the design to create a professional organization that certifies and 
accredits people for completing the course.  But isn't this what PI and 
others globally are doing?  So what is the solution to keep the standards up 
and stop folks who are doing shoddy work, or at least uphold the ethics of 
practitioners?

If there is no solution then this whole process could amount to little, as 
there is really no control over the use of the name.  That is the central 
issue IMO.

Loren Luyendyk
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Accredited Permaculture Teacher, PRI-AUS
ISA Certified Arborist WE-7805A
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> From: lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:42:01 -0500
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Musings III
> 
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Lawrence London 
> <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Toby Hemenway 
> > <toby@patternliteracy.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Scott-
> >> This is excellent. Thank you for putting it together.
> >> Have you posted this anywhere that is publicly available, on FaceBook or
> >> on a blog or website? If not, I encourage you to, and I would like to 
> >> link
> >> to it and direct people to it. I think it needs to
> >
> > be shared widely. I'm posting this on LL's list and I hope you will
> >> respond here so that more of us can get a link to it.
> >>
> >> Toby
> >> http://patternliteracy.com
> >>
> >
> > Toby:
> >
> > Scott did post this article directly to the list a few days ago. List
> > members who maintain permaculture blogs, G+ pages, lists, forums and
> > websites could and should do as you requested,
> > post it as a sticky blog or forum post or as part of a static file
> > display, i.e. collection of important documents that are always 
> > accessable.
> >
> > Is there any possibility you/we could simply lose Facebook as a first
> > order place to communicate on the subject of PC, at least about important
> > ideas and news such as Scott's thread?
> >
> 
> Facebook will lose 80% of users by 2017, say Princeton researchers
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/22/facebook-princeton-researchers-infectious-disease
> 
> "Facebook has spread like an infectious disease but we are slowly becoming
> immune to its attractions, and the platform will be largely abandoned by
> 2017, say researchers at Princeton University. The forecast of Facebook's
> impending doom was made by comparing the growth curve of epidemics to those
> of online social networks. Scientists argue that, like bubonic plague,
> Facebook will eventually die out. The social network, which celebrates its
> 10th birthday on 4 February, has survived longer than rivals such as
> Myspace and Bebo, but the Princeton forecast says it will lose 80% of its
> peak user base within the next three years. John Cannarella and Joshua
> Spechler, from the US university's mechanical and aerospace engineering
> department, have based their prediction on the number of times Facebook is
> typed into Google as a search term. The charts produced by the Google
> Trends<http://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=facebook>service show
> Facebook searches peaked in December 2012 and have since begun
> to trail off."
> 
> Google+ is far more useful, flexible and robust, by many orders of
> > magnitude and individual's blogs and websites are even better, all of 
> > which
> > can develop a portal section to link with everyone else's resources. Sure,
> > its easy to use but its pages are not viewable by the public and it is a
> > very poor place to store, organize and make available collections of
> > information, a task people seriously concerned about how permaculture
> > evolves throughout the world should spend time on. People should use 
> > online
> > resources that do offer those features missing at FB. If you need to get
> > the word out about cutting edge news, events and projects than use all of
> > these resources: Google+, FB, Twitter, Reddit, Pinterest, Tumblr, Flickr,
> > Linkedin and others in addition to the primary ones I mentioned earlier.
> >
> >
> -- 
> Lawrence F. London
> lfljvenaura@gmail.com
> http://www.avantgeared.com
> https://plus.google.com/+Avantgeared
> Skype: lawrence.f.london
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