permaculture

[Douglas Hinds <cedecor@gmx.net>]

On April 4th, 2013 09:18 PM, Steve Hart wrote:
> Hydroponics....nahhh....sorry Lawrence it does not fit into any part of
> Permaculture.

Wikipedia defines hydroponics as follows:

   *Hydroponics* is a subset of hydroculture and is a method of growing
   plants <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant> using mineral nutrient
   <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutrient> solutions, in water, without
   soil <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil>. Terrestrial plants may be
   grown with their roots <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root> in the
   mineral nutrient solution only or in an inert medium,


Which the way I understand hydroponics:  There's no soil, no 
soil-food-web, no soil biology - it's not even agriculture (much less 
permaculture), which helps explain why I become distempered if I eat 
even a little (something which I would not knowingly do).

Distempered in the sense that steel can lose it's temper.  I notice this 
phenomena in 1973, living somewhere hydroponic tomatoes (and not much 
else) were available.  Loss of focus and momentum, drive, dynamism, 
orientation - no wonder your grandchildren won't eat them.

It's an anti-biological, anti-evolutionary technology.

Douglas

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> I don't know which PDC you did but my several from BM et al
> and many life experiences have certainly highlighted this reality. But,
> great reverberation there Lawrence and to see which side of the path your
> viewpoint is....mine is obviously not on the same path and perhaps more of
> a purest within the relm of "Working with Nature not Against it". IMO there
> is a world of experiences to explore within the relms of nature to more
> than satisfy all the needs of the burgeoning 9 billion even though most
> don't deserve to be on this planet. I have had first hand experience in
> hydroponics by way of helping a mate out recently for 9 weeks. It proved to
> me beyond doubt that what I say satisfies me absolutely. It certainly is
> not an "eco-sensitive, nature-friendly agricultural process". It is
> synthetic and if a major part of Permaculture is about food it is
> reasonably well recognised now that our body needs nutrition from nature
> not synthetics.....my case rests...Steve Hart