permaculture

[Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com>]

to add a little balance to the conversation,

disturbance is a natural process and a prerequisite for growth.

lack of disturbance leads to excessive buildup of energy which is often
catastrophic when released.

as conscious participants in ecology, one of our roles is to manage
disturbance for the benefit of the whole system.

taking trees down can be as beneficial as planting them.

some American Indian Tribes did this with fire, now we can use fire, steel,
grazing, and other tools in our tool kit.

patchy landscape mosaics are often more productive than huge areas of
forest or prairie (edgey landscapes), and both have values in the whole

duration, frequency and intensity (i.e. timing and magnitude) are factors
that regulate the effects of a disturbance.  also check out the brittleness
scale and related effects of disturbance a la Holistic Management.

best of luck with your decisions, actions, and response to feedback

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Frances and David <fdnokes@hotmail.com>wrote:

> This actually happened in our neighbourhood.
> A lot was close to cleared!  And then, in a freakish storm, so many other
> trees came down in a neighbouring lot
> It took a lot of talking to try and get the town bureaucrats to understand
> this connection (their response was to want to cut down a lot more trees in
> pubic space in order to prevent this problem rather than acknowledging that
> by allowing a huge clearing on a particular lot, the damage to the trees
> infrastructure occurred. Apparently, the underground infrastructure is key
> as is the trees natural sense of which trees are on the outside and the
> types of relative holding power invested therein.  As in, the tree on the
> outside gets the stronger resistance to the wind.
> Fran
> P.S. One of the  trees in our yard in question is a questionable choice
> originally, given its proximity to the house.   Yet the house stands
> solidly
> and the birds have not complained either...
> P.P.S. Oh, it is a hard one!  This culling of trees. Took me a long time as
> a librarian, too, to face up to the task of culling of books, and yet, it
> does offer vitality to what remains, allowing what still stands to shine
> forth more brightly...   I have found, in my pruning experience, that the
> plants actually value the attention... Perhaps this evolution is meant to
> happen in harmony, plant and animals with people, and not alone.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John D'hondt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:53 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] types of woods and their uses
>
>
> Very good advice Bob. Also, I'd be carefull what I did after the first
> year.
> Where we live in Ireland taking one tree down could bring all the rest down
> around our ears with the first good storm.
> John
>
> > "Wait one year."  Each of those trees may represent years of growth and
> is
> > an
> > asset.  You may eventually decide to remove some of them, but I think it
> > would
> > be helpful if you waited a full year and experienced the four seasons
> with
> > your
> > present situation before deciding anything so radical as removing trees.
> >
> > The biggest mistake, imho, that most people make with land is moving too
> > quickly.  "Long and thoughtful observation" is always the first step in
> > permaculture design.  That's why a permaculture wisdom saying is "Wait
> One
> > Year".
> >
> > Bob Waldrop
> > http://www.ipermie.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Frances and David <fdnokes@hotmail.com>
> > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Wed, January 30, 2013 1:43:10 PM
> > Subject: [permaculture] types of woods and their uses
> >
> > It looks as if we are going to stay settled for now...  And act as if we
> > own the
> > place.  By that I mean that we would begin to maximize the space for
> > growing.
> > And do some serious pruning and removal of trees on our property that are
> > ‘ready
> > to go’ and/or seriously block the sun from the yard as conscience
> permits.
> > What I am contemplating is that this is a golden opportunity to learn
> more
> > about
> > trees’ woods and what they work well for...
> > Which ones are good for huglekultur (sp?), composting, fungi/rot barrier,
> > carving into eating implements, utensils, buttons, etc. (My mind is a
> > little
> > frozen at the moment)
> >
> > Would anyone have any idea of such a database of information?
> > Just thought I’d start by asking this highly resourceful group of people.
> > Other than that, I can start by looking up the individual species as well
> > as
> > seeing what resources I can locate on my topic!
> > There is also a wood turner in our area that I intend to look up when we
> > are
> > back home, and he would also likely have something to say on the matter.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Frances
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