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  • From: venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Amazon.com: Conscious Capitalism: Liberating the Heroic Spirit of Business (9781422144206): John Mackey, Rajendra Sisodia, Bill George: Books
  • Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:57:57 -0500

On 1/18/2013 11:39 PM, venaurafarm wrote:

I still like my usual communalism, grass roots rant with a plug for
real food coops:

And I mean the real, member originated, run, served traditional food coop, often very informal but adequate for most members, they get their chosen food products cheaper.

I personally think that socialism, communalism (the real communism) and

I am thinking of the social democrat and communist (if that is the right term) movements that arose in pre WWII Germany and in Russia, particularly the Ukraine, and were ultimately destroyed and coopted (for their purposes) by the Nazis and the Leninists-Stalinists-current crop of retro pro Soviet thinkers, politicians and activists.

I found this interesting page on the Web:

http://crossculturalcollaboration.pbworks.com/w/page/16658958/Collectivist%20and%20Individualistic%20Community%20Orientation

"Collectivist and Individualistic Community Orientation
Page history last edited by n.schadewitz@... 4 years ago

Communities and societies may differ in Collective or Individual values orientations. While Individual Community cultures act based on their individual needs, Collective Community cultures consider the needs of others as much or more than personal needs. Collectivism also employs a face mechanism to defend oneself or others against losing face by means of saving or giving self-esteem and respect. Individualist cultures usually employ low face mechanism.

Some researcher distinguish relational (relational networks among individual persons i.e. kin) and group (person is part of larger social group as a whole) collectivism (Brewer and Chen, 2007)."

cooperatives have their place and represent real solutions to real
issues; especially as applied to any grassroots agro-perma-enviro
movement that affects people's lives, well being and
livelihoods.

People nowadays in the USA get really worked up when you talk about socialism and/or communism. They don't understand their origins and overreact thinking only of cold war scenarios, competition and war.
I prefer to think of those concepts as tools for survival, used particularly by agrarian societies the world over.

LL




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