permaculture

[venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>]

On 1/18/2013 11:39 PM, venaurafarm wrote:

> I still like my usual communalism, grass roots rant with a plug for
> real food coops:

And I mean the real, member originated, run, served traditional food 
coop, often very informal but adequate for most members, they get their 
chosen food products cheaper.

> I personally think that socialism, communalism (the real communism) and

I am thinking of the social democrat and communist (if that is the right 
term) movements that arose in pre WWII Germany and in Russia, 
particularly the Ukraine, and were ultimately destroyed and coopted (for 
their purposes) by the Nazis and the Leninists-Stalinists-current crop 
of retro pro Soviet thinkers, politicians and activists.

I found this interesting page on the Web:

http://crossculturalcollaboration.pbworks.com/w/page/16658958/Collectivist%20and%20Individualistic%20Community%20Orientation
        
"Collectivist and Individualistic Community Orientation
Page history last edited by n.schadewitz@... 4 years ago

Communities and societies may differ in Collective or Individual values 
orientations. While Individual Community cultures act based on their 
individual needs, Collective Community cultures consider the needs of 
others as much or more than personal needs. Collectivism also employs a 
face mechanism to defend oneself or others against losing face by means 
of saving or giving self-esteem and respect. Individualist cultures 
usually employ low face mechanism.

Some researcher distinguish relational (relational networks among 
individual persons i.e. kin) and group (person is part of larger social 
group as a whole) collectivism (Brewer and Chen, 2007)."

> cooperatives have their place and represent real solutions to real
> issues; especially as applied to any grassroots agro-perma-enviro
> movement that affects people's lives, well being and
> livelihoods.

People nowadays in the USA get really worked up when you talk about 
socialism and/or communism. They don't understand their origins and 
overreact thinking only of cold war scenarios, competition and war.
I prefer to think of those concepts as tools for survival, used 
particularly by agrarian societies the world over.

LL