permaculture

[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

Not redwood, please. There is no excuse ever to use redwood unless it has 
already been cut, is fully repurposed and what you build will last 1000 
years, same as it will take to grow a new tree to old growth stature. Please, 
don't EVER use redwood for any reason, guys, that is newly cut. Please! We're 
down from 2 million acres to 38,000 or near that.  These ecosystems are the 
lungs of the planet, and some people feel that they are the heart, too (or 
one of them). If you've spent time in a redwood forest, you'll know why. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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 From: venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
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Subject: Re: [permaculture] Garden in the Stars project
 
On 10/7/2012 11:36 PM, Ray Cirino wrote:
> Dear Greenroof folks,
> If we are going to do green roofs we need a way up and down everyday that 
> is also green. Please help us make this happen for all of us to help 
> increase the developement of our hard work.

Consider the liability factor. Forget green for ladders, staircases, 
fire escapes, etc. Use welded/bolted steel with Trex steps, extra wide, 
like two 5/4 X 6 Trex plants used for decking = 5/4 X 12. Other options 
would include modern non toxic pre3ssure treated lumber combined with 
Trex stair treads. Save the green for the rooftop. Dress the gardeners 
in Jolly Green Giant costumes...

Other considerations might be redwood, cedar, locust lumber and resawn 
fir bridge timbers for major structural elements, i.e. posts and 
framework, risers and headers.

Fir beams were used in railroad trestles. I bought some 24' 8X24 beams 
to use on landscape jobs years ago when a RR line was being taken out 
and the trestle taken down. A cool Canadian came down here, worked 
mostly by himself, burning bolts with his acetylene torch and using his 
logger's knuckleboom loader to dismantle the beams and stack them for 
local sale. Talk about recycling! That was a byegone era.

> Check out:
>
> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1366620629/garden-in-the-stars-botanical-tower-by-ray-cirino?ref=live
>
> Regards,
> Ray Cirino
> 818-834-7074
> Garden in the Stars Project
>
> The Great Challenges we now face as a species present the very 
> opportunities that are giving birth to Ecological, Psychological, and 
> Spiritual Sustainability.

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Georg --

I, too live in town, and I own only my lot here.  I do practice pc in
my yard and assist others as well, and hope to install another 500
square feet of superfood and supporting plants next spring.  I, too,
have ideas and wonderings about aquaculture out back.

But I dont feel "stuck" here.  Only limited, and I can overcome that.
The problems of planetary destabilization motivate me to do high
impact things, things I can't do in my yard, but maybe in a vacant
field a few miles away.

My borrowed land farm is up to 52 sheep and growing.  Estimated manure
value is $140 per acre per year.  This summer saw around 0.5 %
increase in soil organic matter in a field that was dead from years of
commercial cropping.  Instead of eroding, topsoil is growing -- the
best half of my main pasture averages 8" now instead of nothing.  More
carbon is being added to the soil.

This is a large multiple of the impact that my yard has.  More CO2 is
sequestered in a few ares of pasture than my family emits.  That's the
good news.

There is great virtue in small scale permaculture.  The problems of
the planet tell us that that approach, while necessary, is not nearly
sufficient.  Desertification and extinction will continue unabated.
We need more city people, if not farming, then being involved with
good farmers to help their farms become successful.  Joel Salatin is a
living litany of ways that can happen.

The bad news is that positive impact on any scale is a ways away.
There is a huge gap in understanding, even with the environmental and
conservation communities, about high impact solutions to these issues.
 Only a small fraction of us may be motivated to try any of these
things, meaning the challenge is greater for those that do
participate, if net positive results are to happen.  The path is not
clear to increased involvement and impact.  Emergence is quite a few
years away, while the situation continues to worsen.

The best immediate hope is that the pc community and those with a
similar bent can grab hold of the idea that there is a lot that can be
done outside the city, beyond the backyard, beyond the csa and the
community garden, beyond carbon neutrality, beyond the resignation
that there is nothing we can do if we don't reduce emissions.  Pc
training should make the impression that this massive problem requires
much more than the goals of self sufficiency and elegant designs.  If
this can emerge in the ever growing pc community, and soon, it can
begin to creep into the mainstream.

Un-stuck.  Connection with our nature, ten times as many carbon
farmers as there are farmers now, de-citification.  Any other good
thoughts?

Glenn



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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 16:06:20 +0200
From: georg parlow <g.parlow@gmx.at>
Subject: [permaculture] pc aquaponics
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Hi there,

Being stuck in a city I recently started pondering and researching the
idea of aquaponics. The web tells me of Max Meyers doing aquaponics
the permaculture way. I am am pc designer myself for almost 20 years
now, with moderate experience in counselling, design and
implementation. I am wondering what he does differently that any
decent permie would not think of my himself? Any experiences? Any
reports or details of his approach anywhere on the web?

thanks,
Georg