permaculture

[Nick Ritar <nick@milkwood.net>]

War on Permaculture... give me a  break.

Even in here in New South Wales, Australia, the state where Bill developed
Tagari Farm we have restrictions on how much rainwater you can harvest on
your property.

http://www.water.nsw.gov.au/Water-licensing/Basic-water-rights/Harvesting-runoff/default.aspx

Mind you that didn't slow Bill down much.

Cheers
Nick


On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:

> In the west of the United States, the more arid the area, the more
> strict is regulation of water.  Surface water in many areas is just like
> land.  It is not a common resource, in some areas people have privately
> held water rights to it.  Rainwater harvesting is illegal in the entire
> state of Colorado, for example. I am not saying this is right, I am
> saying that this is not something new, it's been this way ever since
> white people took control and divided up the land into private ownership.
>
> And this is a matter involving rainwater harvesting, it does not rise to
> the level of criminalizing permaculture, which is a design system.
> Rainwater harvesting is certainly one of the tools we use, but rainwater
> harvesting is not a synonym for permaculture, istm. So the plans to
> start memorizing the Design Manual, Intro to Permaculture, and our other
> classics can be put on hold because the Oregon Firemen are not going to
> show up to burn our books a la Farenheit 451.
>
> Bob Waldrop, OKC
>
> On 7/30/2012 1:50 PM, Andrew Millison wrote:
> > This seems really sensationalized to me. Permaculture is site specific. I
> > need to look at the satellite maps of the property and the locations of
> the
> > ponds to make an accurate judgement of the situation. Anyone have the
> > coordinates?
> >
> > It's not the State of Oregon versus Permaculture, it's Jackson County and
> > the City of Medford alleging that he's blocking a tributary that is part
> of
> > the City of Medford's water supply. I think it's important to gather real
> > information before jumping on fiery headlines. Perhaps this man is doing
> > unwise water manipulation that will negatively impact Medford's water
> > supply? Let's get an address and base a discussion around the watershed
> > facts.
> >
> >
> http://cnsnews.com/news/article/oregon-man-sentenced-30-days-jail-collecting-rainwater-his-property
> >
> > "But Tom Paul, administrator of the Oregon Water Resources Department,
> > claims that Harrington has been violating the state’s water use law by
> > diverting water from streams running into the Big Butte River.
> >
> > “The law that he is actually violating is not the 1925 provision, but
> it’s
> > Oregon law that says all of the water in the state of Oregon is public
> > water and if you want to use that water, either to divert it or to store
> > it, you have to acquire a water right from the state of Oregon before
> doing
> > that activity,” Paul told CNSNews.com.
> >
> > Yet Paul admitted the 1925 law does apply because, he said, Harrington
> > constructed dams to block a tributary to the Big Butte, which Medford
> uses
> > for its water supply.
> >
> > “There are dams across channels, water channels where the water would
> > normally flow if it were not for the dam and so those dams are stopping
> the
> > water from flowing in the channel and storing it- holding it so it cannot
> > flow downstream,” Paul told CNSNews.com.
> >
> > Harrington, however, argued in court that that he is not diverting water
> > from Big Butte Creek, but the dams capturing the rainwater and snow
> runoff
> > – or “diffused water” – are on his own property and that therefore the
> > runoff does not fall under the jurisdiction of the state water managers,
> > nor does it not violate the 1925 act."
> >
> > Andrew Millison
> >
> > www.beaverstatepermaculture.com
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 3:18 AM, venaurafarm <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/30/2012 5:21 AM, georg parlow wrote:
> >>> Is it really that bad in the US?
> >>> Georg
> >>>> The State of Oregon has declared war on sustainable living and self-
> >>>> reliance by criminalizing rainwater collection. A man who owns 170
> >>>> acres of land is now being sent to jail and fined over $1500 for the
> >>>> "crime" of "stealing water from the state" by collecting rainwater
> >>>> on his own land!
> >>>>
> >>>> This is not a joke. It's yet another example of runaway collectivism
> >>>> that is fast spreading across America.
> >>>>
> >>>> Importantly, if Oregon can claim ownership of the rainwater that
> >>>> falls on your land, the state could also outlaw solar panels by
> >>>> claiming "sunlight photons" are the property of the state, too!
> >>>>
> >>>> Read my coverage of this breaking story at:
> >>>> http://www.naturalnews.com/036615_Oregon_rainwater_permaculture.html
> >> That one is hard to believe but you never know the extent of aggressive
> >> greed and ignorance those types are capable of.  Add to that fracking,
> >> which is real. It is a war on the people of the US by corporate greed,
> >> warmongering surrogates and ignorant nouveau riche class. Thank the tea
> >> party types, their political associates and their sponsors and handlers
> >> for much of this.
> >>
> >> Paul Wheaton, rightly so, encourages doing something worthwhile and
> >> positive instead of wasting time railing against the bad guys.
> >> In the county next to me if property owners don't stand up for their
> >> rights they will have the frackers all over adjoining leased land
> >> drilling and fracking for gas, possibly horizontally under their own
> >> land opening the possibility that their drinking water may become
> >> permanently polluted, without any compensation to them.
> >>
> >> Have you been to see Sepp Holzer's farm?
> >>
> >> We need more Sepp's here in the US.
> >>
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