permaculture

[paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>]

The awkward part of all this is that there are PDCs that are billed as
becoming a certified permaculture designer.  Like the one I took.
Before attending the PDC I told people I was taking it to become a
certified permaculture designer.  And afterward I told people that I
was now a certified permaculture designer.

A couple of years ago I mentioned this on this list and heard this
same thing:  "no - taking a PDC does not make you a certified
permaculture designer."   So I double checked:  the ad was still up
for the class I took and it still said I would be a certified
permaculture designer.

I can see the need for more levels of certification.  I would really
like to support that.   And I think that if you stick to saying that
completing a PDC does not equate to a CPD then you will punish the
people that are in the know and reward the people that are not.

So I hope I'm not pissing anybody off by saying that I'm going to
assume that if somebody says "I'm a certified permaculture designer"
I'm going to assume that they have completed a PDC and nothing formal
beyond that.

As for the bit about two college classes vs. a degree:  Well, in the
java world we have a SCJP (Sun Certified Java Programmer) and there
are a bunch of one week courses (typically less than 40 hours)
designed to get you to pass the exam.  And this is considered one of
the toughest exams.  And then they have other, more advanced, exams
for stuff like "Sun Certified Java Architect" and the like.

To move forward, I would like to make the suggestion of embracing the
flaw that has occurred and building on it with things that are a bit
more clear.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Toby Hemenway
<toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:
> Beeja and everyone,
>
> A note of clarification: Taking a PDC does not make you a "certified 
> permaculture designer." It's an introductory course. I urge people not to 
> say that, as it's a false claim. My PDC certificate from Mollison says that 
> I was now a "permaculture design trainee," and that's what the certificate 
> means. It is the first step toward becoming a designer, which, in the 
> system BIll set up, meant that after two years of additional, full-time 
> work or its equivalent in design under a mentor, you could then receive a 
> diploma in permaculture design, and then maybe call yourself a designer.
>
> The PDC, at 72-100 hours or so of class, is roughly the same amount of 
> class time as two college courses. If you took chemistry 101 and 102, you 
> would never call yourself a chemist, right? (Ka-BOOM!) Same goes for the 
> PDC.
>
> BTW, attachments are always scrubbed from this list--there was no 
> attachment. Good luck with the course, at any rate!
>
> Toby
> http://patternliteracy.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2010, at 6:26 AM, b e e j a ... wrote:
>
>> Hello Fellow Earth Lovers,
>>
>> For those of you interested to become a certified Permaculture Designer, we
>> are hosting another course this November in Darjeeling on 14th -28th. This
>> is the longest running PDC course happening in India for the last 7 years!
>>
>> Come join the fun and help spread the awareness of sustainable lifestyle
>> design!
>>
>> Attached is the flyer and registration form.
>>
>> Hope to see you there!
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> Ameli
>> ...
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