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[Dick Pierce <dickpiercedesigns@gmail.com>]

A topic of most import to me. Thanks for bringing it up - it needs to come
up from time to time as the inadvertent use of Certification is reasonably
rampant.

I fully agree with and support Toby's opinion and answer (which comes right
out of the PDC curriculum, etc.). The PDC is a Permaculture Design
Certificate, recognized in most places/organizations as the base course
necessary to take advanced courses and to embark on what nominally/normally
is a 2-year apprentice, intern, assistant, portfolio/syllabus-building term
before applying for a PC Diploma in Australia or Certification in the UK and
?France? or via an informal honor system in the US and other lands.

Calling a person with a PDC "certified" is not correct, reduces those
efforts and people that have a formal and rigorous certification/diploma
program. I would request, as has been done in the past, that all PDC
instructors/facilitators review their files, brochures, websites, course
descriptions, etc. to check them to be sure they only refer to a PDC
Certificate as the result of taking a PDC Course. A quick google of
Permaculture "Certification" will reveal the number of references that need
changing.

Thanks for listening, please take action.

Dick Pierce

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 5:47 PM, paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com> wrote:

> The awkward part of all this is that there are PDCs that are billed as
> becoming a certified permaculture designer.  Like the one I took.
> Before attending the PDC I told people I was taking it to become a
> certified permaculture designer.  And afterward I told people that I
> was now a certified permaculture designer.
>
> A couple of years ago I mentioned this on this list and heard this
> same thing:  "no - taking a PDC does not make you a certified
> permaculture designer."   So I double checked:  the ad was still up
> for the class I took and it still said I would be a certified
> permaculture designer.
>
> I can see the need for more levels of certification.  I would really
> like to support that.   And I think that if you stick to saying that
> completing a PDC does not equate to a CPD then you will punish the
> people that are in the know and reward the people that are not.
>
> So I hope I'm not pissing anybody off by saying that I'm going to
> assume that if somebody says "I'm a certified permaculture designer"
> I'm going to assume that they have completed a PDC and nothing formal
> beyond that.
>
> As for the bit about two college classes vs. a degree:  Well, in the
> java world we have a SCJP (Sun Certified Java Programmer) and there
> are a bunch of one week courses (typically less than 40 hours)
> designed to get you to pass the exam.  And this is considered one of
> the toughest exams.  And then they have other, more advanced, exams
> for stuff like "Sun Certified Java Architect" and the like.
>
> To move forward, I would like to make the suggestion of embracing the
> flaw that has occurred and building on it with things that are a bit
> more clear.
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Toby Hemenway
> <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:
> > Beeja and everyone,
> >
> > A note of clarification: Taking a PDC does not make you a "certified
> permaculture designer." It's an introductory course. I urge people not to
> say that, as it's a false claim. My PDC certificate from Mollison says that
> I was now a "permaculture design trainee," and that's what the certificate
> means. It is the first step toward becoming a designer, which, in the system
> BIll set up, meant that after two years of additional, full-time work or its
> equivalent in design under a mentor, you could then receive a diploma in
> permaculture design, and then maybe call yourself a designer.
> >
> > The PDC, at 72-100 hours or so of class, is roughly the same amount of
> class time as two college courses. If you took chemistry 101 and 102, you
> would never call yourself a chemist, right? (Ka-BOOM!) Same goes for the
> PDC.
> >
> > BTW, attachments are always scrubbed from this list--there was no
> attachment. Good luck with the course, at any rate!
> >
> > Toby
> > http://patternliteracy.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2010, at 6:26 AM, b e e j a ... wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Fellow Earth Lovers,
> >>
> >> For those of you interested to become a certified Permaculture Designer,
> we
> >> are hosting another course this November in Darjeeling on 14th -28th.
> This
> >> is the longest running PDC course happening in India for the last 7
> years!
> >>
> >> Come join the fun and help spread the awareness of sustainable lifestyle
> >> design!
> >>
> >> Attached is the flyer and registration form.
> >>
> >> Hope to see you there!
> >>
> >> Warm Regards,
> >> Ameli
> >> ...
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