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[Tripp Tibbetts <slowfoodguy@yahoo.com>]

Interesting that you mention Guns, Germs, and Steel, as I just finished 
reading it last week, and not 5 minutes ago was plugging it on another 
listserv that I follow!  Excellent and deeply insightful, the kind of title 
that should be on every permie's to-read list.
 
The nodal/nuclear "approach" that you mention seems to be happening just as 
smoothly and organically as predicted in this post.  Everywhere I've been 
there is always a city or region that is "where the permaculture is really 
happening."  I don't want to take away from Udan Farm, Salamander Springs, 
Gaia, or Davis Farm in middle Georgia, but the mountains in the north are 
where it is swelling here.  Atlanta too, but then, both places are generally 
inhabited by the same people depending on the day of the week.  So north 
Georgia anway.  And the North Georgia Organic Corridor is in the process of 
forming, promising organic produce at farmers' markets at least every 30 
miles, and I can see permaculture already piggy-backing on this artery.  Of 
course, at finer resolution, this "node" is itself a fractal net, with many 
opportunities to bring permaculture to the various communities comprising the 
larger node.
 
With any luck our time in sweltering and uber-conservative Macon will be 
brief, and we'll be on our way to help push this expanding nucleus outward.  
I love the image of nodes (of permaculture) swelling to connect and form a 
net.  Thank you for bringing that pattern to my attention initially, Rosemary 
Morrow.
 
In the past, less competitive cultures were "replaced" by more "successful" 
ones, according to the population dynamics of their age.  In the future (now) 
success, in all its manifestations, will depend on solutions that dwell in 
the reality of physics, and permaculture does indeed excel at that.
 
I appreciate this post, Rain.  Thanks.
Tripp



The best fertilizer is the gardener's shadow.
-Chinese proverb
 

--- On Sun, 8/22/10, Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>
Subject: [permaculture] movement vs design method
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 7:12 PM


I would say that permaculture is an ethical design method that is a 
significant part of a social movement for sustainable culture.  By itself, no 
organization is likely to be able to direct a social movement on its own.  
Even in countries that have had revolutions (such as Russia or Cuba), many 
groups, including the armed faction, had to cooperate in order to transform 
society.  Permaculture is not organized to lobby, lead demonstrations, or 
pursue direct action in the conventional sense.  We do offer education, but 
not in the typical way of political organizations.  Our direct action is 
mostly aimed at replacing the existing unsustainable culture with sustainable 
alternatives.  We do this with the help of innumerable other organizations 
and individuals who fill different niches.
 
Permaculture differs from other design methods in that it has an ethical 
basis.  It also is wholistic, at least theoretically, in that the principles 
are applied to all aspects of culture.  This makes a permaculturist more 
political and less restricted in focus than someone in a more technical 
discipline like an ecological designer or a landscape architect, though most 
our our designs do tend to be restricted to a narrow focus, such as a garden, 
landscape, or village layout.  My hope is that as we develop more 
permaculture sites, we will begin to expand our focus to broader systems and 
invisible (social and cultural) structures.  This happens organically as a 
permaculture household, homestead, or community becomes more established.
 
One area where permaculture would benefit from acting more like a social 
movement would be to organize permaculture projects into clusters so that the 
above process could be accelerated and made more efficient.  Anyone who has 
read Guns, Germs, and Steel should understand the necessity of connectivity 
for the creation of a strong culture with the potential to supplant another.  
The libertarians who have moved to New Hampshire seem to get this point, 
though I haven't evaluated the success of their effort.  It would be great if 
every bioregion had a permaculture oasis, a laboratory for experiments in 
sustainable culture that could offer solutions for the rest of the bioregion. 
 Funding could come from special loans from the Permaculture Credit Union, 
etc., etc....
 
Rain
 


      
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The following from CNET.

RIAA: U.S. copyright law 'isn't working'
"You cannot monitor all the infringements on the Internet. It's simply not
possible. We don't have the ability to search all the places infringing
content appears..."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20014468-38.html


Mitch Triplett
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open-source software

Let's see ... in the mid 80's I gave my pascal UI stuff away for free
and saw commercial companies merge them into their own products and
manage to have dozens of employees.  In the early 90's I put my C++
libraries out there in the public domain, only to see them rise into
successful commercial products for others.  Around 94 I put out some
DOS terminal software as shareware (people pay on the honor system)
which became wildly popular and I made heaps of dough.  When the
internet came along, I made a web browser and bill gates said he was
making a web browser and giving it away - so I shelved mine.  I
converted my terminal software to freeware and gave it away.  I have
since created heaps of free web sites - some more popular than others,
and given away a lot more source code.

So, in the great big world of giving stuff away, I think I've given a
lot away.  And the stuff I've given away has turned out to be really
popular.  My java site currently gets 2.1 million visitors each month.

So my strategy is to get this stuff in front of as many non-eco
eyeballs as possible.  And based on my knowledge set at this time
(which includes open source stuff) I think copyrighted freeware is the
best strategy.

As for asking for a donation:  what I would much prefer over a few
hundred dollars is to get a few links.  Links help me convey this
information which is my current passion.  Links from facebook and
twitter are good; links from a blog are better; links from a static
home page is the best.  The commercial sites with their 10,000 paid
for links are nudging me out.  And I refuse to buy links because I
think it is wrong (and because I delete that link spam from the
permies forums every day).

BTW:  I made another free web page.  This one features the seven free
youtube videos of  Michael "Skeeter" Pilarski giving a group of us a
free wildcrafting lesson.

http://www.richsoil.com/michael-pilarski.jsp

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