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  • From: steve read <permaculturefr@free.fr>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Fwd: On an ethics of Mr. Skvorak
  • Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 10:08:16 +0200

Hallo ,

In some ways this National Guard discussion passes me by , the simple application of the principle of 'turning a problem into a solution' would seem to indicate that to teach the military PmC could be a very positive thing . I was asked in Turkey last year what I would do about the 'problem' of their huge army , march them to the top of the country equipe them with PmC and appropriate equipement and guidance and let them work their way south , designing and installing , cleaning and repairing was my somewhat glib but sincere reply . In the same way that the 18 million who live in Istanbul , properly equiped with knowledge and guidance could transform the city in a few days .

I'm not sure that there are 'enlightened people' in the militaries but as soldiers are people too there are undoubtedly ways to awaken them/us.

You don't need a firesuit Pierre, which must be uncomfortable. I could see my self as a fundamentalist in that I seek to understand the fundamentals of everything , to use Occams razor to cut away chaff , in myself and certainly in PmC. The same with purity, to remove all taht is unalloyed to see to the heart of something. That things evolve and change is evident, yet we are designers and for me guides, it would seem to me that evolution in PmC could be guided by us in an awakened manner. I personally see no good reason, especially as I don't wear T shirts, to transform from "limit/surplus etc" to "fairshares", quite the opposite. I don't know about elsewhere but in the UK where I lived some time, there was/is many PmC designers who have long resisted this change. Here in France we keep the original although it has been expanded to include the term 'abundance', in Turkey the same.

There are many "Ways" which have evolved since their creation, unfortunately often to the detriment of the original, much of the Aikido I see taught seems uniformed by the love which was at the heart of what Ueshiba created, post-war, and also his 3 rules are often not even known.

For me PmC is the tool I use to encourage socio/environmental evolution, guided. If the tool I use/have used for the last 20 years is being changed then I need to know and understand why.

Steve Read
www.permaculturefrance.org





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