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[Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network <lakinroe@silcom.com>]

Hi Everybody,

People have been asking me how they can listen to Sustainable World 
Radio since I'm taking a break from broadcasting live on local 
community radio station KCSB.  There are a couple of different ways 
to tune in. Sustainable World Podcasts can now be heard on my 
website- www.sustainableworldradio.com and on ITunes. Many of my 
interviews and past shows are posted online, as well as some new 
interviews (with more to follow), and lots of perennial favorites 
including: Mushrooms Can Save the World with Paul Stamets, Botanical 
Medicine with Kami McBride, Keyline Design with Darren Doherty, and 
Homescale Permaculture with Toby Hemenway. 

Wes Roe of the Santa Barbara Permaculture Network and I were pleased 
to spend some time on the phone with Permaculture Co-Founder David 
Holmgren.  We have a two part interview to show for it that will 
hopefully make you laugh, teach you some things about how to 
contribute and thrive in an energy descent world, and reassure you 
that "the party may not be over."

I'm thrilled that the Internet exists and that many people around the 
world are listening to and learning from the amazing guests that I've 
been able to speak with over the past six years. It's inspiring to be 
surrounded by such incredible teachers, earth stewards, plant people, 
and permaculturists who are sharing their skills and knowledge at 
such a critical time.

Thanks for your support and for listening.

Jill Cloutier

http://www.sustainableworldradio.com/

Permaculture- The Beginning of a Worldwide Movement- Part 1
Part 1 of a 2 part interview with David Holmgren, the co-originator 
of Permaculture.  Holmgren is co-author of Permaculture One, the book 
that introduced Permaculture to the world.  In part one of this 
interview, Holmgren speaks about the beginnings of Permaculture, his 
home Melliodora; one of the best documented and well known 
Permaculture demonstration sites, and his book Future Scenarios: How 
Communities Can Adapt to Peak Oil and Climate Change.  Interview by 
Jill Cloutier of Sustainable World, and Wes Roe of the Santa Barbara 
Permaculture Network.
http://pdcastsusworldradio.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=583537


Permaculture in an Energy Descent World- Part 2 of an Interview with 
David Holmgren
Part 2 of a 2 part interview with David Holmgren, the co-originator 
of Permaculture. In part two of this interview, Holmgren talks about 
his book Future Scenarios: How Communities Can Adapt to Peak Oil and 
Climate Change, and shares with us his ideas of what living in an 
energy descent world might be like, and why "the party may not be 
over".  Interview by Jill Cloutier of Sustainable World, and Wes Roe 
of the Santa Barbara Permaculture Network.

http://pdcastsusworldradio.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=587339
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The operative word I'm focusing on in "grow all your own food" here is =
"all." That's the part I think is unnecessary and a distraction. Grow =
food. Yes. Work toward self reliance. Yes. All that stuff. But the goal =
of growing ALL your own food is not something that any permaculture =
principle would suggest or encourage, will distract people from more =
important and relevant goals, and I'd like to see it stricken from the =
vocabulary of permaculturists.  I don't know how that idea crept into =
our lexicon. That's all I'm sayin' here.

> What do you know about the reality of homesteading (urban=20
> or rural) for self sufficiency and independence?=20

We were pretty frickin' self reliant in our rural decade: cut firewood =
for all our heat, harvested 100% of our domestic water, recycled all our =
graywater, grew a large percentage of our fruit and veggies, traded with =
locals for things we needed, built much of the house myself, planted =
trees and built soil to heal the land, lived on next to no money. So I =
feel like I'm speaking from experience here.

Toby
http://patternliteracy.com



On May 12, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote:

> =20
> Toby Hemenway wrote:
> > On May 12, 2010, at 10:28 AM, jamesdavid Sneed wrote:
> > =20
> > > That seems so disappointing, an elitist attitude that discourages
> > > people from growing all their own food . . . . I find that
> > > independence impossible in anywhere but the most remote regions, I
> > > am returning to those locales, which to me is the REAL WORLD
> > =20
> > Reality is often more disappointing than dreaming of something we've
> > never tried; yes, my point was indeed to discourage people from the
> =20
> Trying something and failing, though disappointing, is better than not=20=

> having tried. What do you know about the reality of homesteading =
(urban=20
> or rural) for self sufficiency and independence? You said sometime ago=20=

> that you gave up your rural lifestyle to live in the city. Fine, but =
do=20
> not criticise others living a rural lifestyle intent on surviving and=20=

> remaining on their land; maybe they have no other option.
> =20
> > simplistic, near-impossible fantasy that when it gets tough they can
> > just grow all their own food. I hope that idea dies soon; it's a
> =20
> Simple lifestyle, yes. Frugal and efficient. As if millions of folks =
all
> over the world aren't in need of this approach to living these days.
> You think the multinational vertically integrated agriculture=20
> corporations, IMF, UN, Red Cross, etc are going to feed them?
> =20
> Good grief, you hope that idea dies soon...say it isn't so, Toby.
> For someone who has written a great book on permaculture you're not =
much=20
> help or encouragement. I think you've signed onto the wrong forum;
> you need one that is 99% rhetoric and politics and .99% corporate=20
> funding and .01% action.
> =20
> I think you've fallen off the edge of the Earth. Now I am wondering if=20=

> Toby's account has been hacked and you are not who you claim to be. =
This=20
> is what I might expect to hear from a Monsanto greenwashing PR agent.=20=

> You seem intent on trashing the decades of work by hundreds of =
thousands=20
> of folks. I can't believe what you've written. My thoughts about it:=20=

> total and utter horsemanure. You do not know what you are talking =
about.
> =20
> > terrible deterrent to facing a real solution. I beg you all: Stop
> > thinking that way!  And, James, when you return to the "real world,"
> > of the wild, just remember who made your equipment for you; that's
> > how self-reliant you'll be. The "I'll harvest the wild" dream only
> =20
> Maybe he won't need much equipment or will make his own from scratch.
> =20
> > insures the destruction of the last wild places.That's
> > anti-permaculture: stay out of the bush, says Mollison, and he's
> > right. With 7 billion people, all wild resources would be depleted in
> > a matter of months. I was recently in Alaska, and kept running into
> > people who thought they'd just hunt after the oil gets scarce. Not
> > with the size of the population of Alaska. That's a horrifying
> > thought: goodbye caribou, elk, deer, bear.
> =20
> Ridiculous. Would you say the same about the American Indians
> when they dominated the Plains and fed themselves harvesting the=20
> buffalo? Ever heard of sustainable harvesting?
> Encouraging wildlife by protecting and nourishing their habitat, =
partly=20
> through forest gardening. There is little or no impact on wild animal=20=

> populations when harvesting in limited numbers for food, if done=20
> correctly. The Sustainable Urban Homestead and The Sustainable Rural=20=

> Homestead are ideally diversified small, mini or micro farms with=20
> livestock. This concept is integral to a realistic survival plan in =
this=20
> day and time. Being part of a Greater Urban or Rural Homestead, i.e., =
a=20
> community of farms, or farming cooperative wherein the individual=20
> members supply each other with goods to allow for specialization,=20
> cropping or livestock production, for those lacking either.
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