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[Udan Farm <udanfarm@yahoo.com>]

To Gavin,
Well I for one am impressed at your list of things you have done in so few 
years! Ah, youth! 
I laughed at Scott's "there are no flies on you'! He's right!
Penny was one of my teachers too! I love her, she's an awesome teacher!
I hope that Mr. Davidzon will find a place on his website to show off the 
wonderful talent that he has at the school! 
His statement "We do not require 'legitimacy' in order to do our work;" I 
think I can safely say, concerns many of us.
We work hard to be legitimate permaculturists, and DO take offense at anyone 
who says they are not worried about presenting permaculture to the world 
"legitimately."
There is a danger in spreading permaculture to the "mainstream", that it will 
get watered down, and that more people will use illegitimate means to make 
large amounts of money off of a system that is meant to be grass-roots and 
available to most people. Case in point the "University" which is really 
developers selling condos in Costa Rica.
Maybe a better way to approach him would be to say that there is a lot of 
collective wisdom in permaculture already and we all agree it is CUSTOMARY to 
post teacher info, and to not charge too much for classes, or at least if the 
do to make several scholarship AND work-trade spots available to those 
without access to cash.


But I am glad you introduced yourself, and am impressed at your work!


'dohi',

Isabel



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Evan, I too am curious about Urban Permaculture. We are rural, and I am 
organizing a course in Atlanta-where there are some great people and things 
beginning to happen. 
One of my teachers-Patricia Allison, the other day said that Urban 
Permaculture had a lot to do with not just food and energy, but in people, 
community and social and political action-to change things in cities. 
That was a great reminder/refresher for me, and now I am really interested in 
knowing more of what people are doing in cities. Of course Cuba and Rhizome 
Collective are great examples…
So I'd also be curious to hear what's happening in the Urban Permie world!
Peace,Isabel



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Hi Isabel!

Please feel free to contact me about this - I'm in the Atlanta area.

Udan Farm wrote:
> Evan, I too am curious about Urban Permaculture. We are rural, and I am 
> organizing a course in Atlanta-where there are some great people and things 
> beginning to happen.
> One of my teachers-Patricia Allison, the other day said that Urban 
> Permaculture had a lot to do with not just food and energy, but in people, 
> community and social and political action-to change things in cities.
> That was a great reminder/refresher for me, and now I am really interested 
> in knowing more of what people are doing in cities. Of course Cuba and 
> Rhizome Collective are great examples…
> So I'd also be curious to hear what's happening in the Urban Permie world!
> Peace,Isabel
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