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[D Crimmins <dcrimmins71@hotmail.com>]

Raintree nursery sells Paw-Paws.  So does Gurney. Been looking forward to 
planting one.
http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/producttype.cfm?producttype=PAW

http://gurneys.com/product.asp?pn=69591&bhcd2=1224782702


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>    1. Re: paw paw seeds (Pat Meadows)
>    2.  low pressure faucets for rainwater (Paul Cross)
>    3. Re: re yellowjackets (George Anna Clark)
>    4. Re: paw paw seeds (Douglas Woodard)
>    5. llamas (SArjuna@aol.com)
>    6. Re: llamas (ed sarten)
>    7. Quassia for amoebic dysentery,  giardia and worms? - Boing
>       Boing (Lawrence F. London, Jr.)
>    8. Re: paw paw seeds (Scott Pittman)
>    9. Reminder of Financial Permaculture event internet       access
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:58:20 -0400
> From: Pat Meadows <pat@meadows.pair.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:04:46 -0500, you wrote:
> 
> >This is pretty interesting. Do you eat them raw? 
> >Chew them or crack them or swallow them whole?
> >
> 
> Papayas are called 'pawpaws' in Australia and other places.  This may be
> what was meant.  
> 
> So far as I know, the fruit called 'pawpaw' in the USA, Asimina triloba, is
> only found in this country, and just possibly in some parts of southern
> Canada.
> 
> USA pawpaw:  
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawpaw
> 
> vs.
> 
> Australian (etc.) pawpaw:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya 
> 
> Pat
> -- northern Pennsylvania
> Website:  www.meadows.pair.com/articleindex.html
> 
> "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of
> supply and demand. It is the privilege of human beings to
> live under the laws of justice and mercy." - Wendell Berry 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:38:17 -0600
> From: Paul Cross <charybda@newmex.com>
> Subject: [permaculture]  low pressure faucets for rainwater
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org, raincascadia@yahoo.com
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> You get 0.43 psi per foot of head, and then your small pipe has friction 
> losses on top of that. So at 4 feet you are maybe at 1.6 psi. Not a lot. 
> Check your faucets to see if they have any aerators or flow restrictors 
> on them. These are removable and that might be all you need to do to get 
> some flow.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:27:13 -0500
> From: George Anna Clark <esac@laneta.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] re yellowjackets
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> where it's impossible to allow them to stay, I spray them with detergent 
> in water, early in the morning when they seem to be all attached to 
> their nest. then knock the nest down.
> 
> george anna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:49:45 -0400
> From: Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Pawpaws are certainly found in some parts of southern Ontario, Canada, 
> but they are rare, limited to the Niagara Peninsula and regions near 
> Lake Erie.
> 
> Doug Woodard
> St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada
> Niagara Peninsula
> 
> 
> 
> Pat Meadows wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:04:46 -0500, you wrote:
> > 
> >> This is pretty interesting. Do you eat them raw? 
> >> Chew them or crack them or swallow them whole?
> >>
> > 
> > Papayas are called 'pawpaws' in Australia and other places.  This may be
> > what was meant.  
> > 
> > So far as I know, the fruit called 'pawpaw' in the USA, Asimina triloba, 
> > is
> > only found in this country, and just possibly in some parts of southern
> > Canada.
> > 
> > USA pawpaw:  
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawpaw
> > 
> > vs.
> > 
> > Australian (etc.) pawpaw:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya 
> > 
> > Pat
> > -- northern Pennsylvania
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:16:35 EDT
> From: SArjuna@aol.com
> Subject: [permaculture] llamas
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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>      So now I've come to your post about llamas, which I had never 
> considered 
> having.   Hmmm.   Can llamas be trained to pull a cart or buggy that one 
> rides in?    Or just led as pack animals?
>      Shivani
> 
> In a message dated 9/23/08 12:22:44 PM, 
> permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org writes:
> > 
> > > In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about
> > > other animals, like horses.? I know that horses eat far too much to
> > > make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long
> > > run.? But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can
> > > carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing
> > > 1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds
> > > will carry about 50-75 pounds).? They also keep brush down, as
> > > browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for
> > > spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,
> > > and are friendly as companions.? Just a thought.
> > >
> > 
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:08:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ed sarten <esarten@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] llamas
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> can a llama take -50 degrees farenheit?Ed Ruby,Alaska
> 
> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, SArjuna@aol.com <SArjuna@aol.com> wrote:
> From: SArjuna@aol.com <SArjuna@aol.com>
> Subject: [permaculture] llamas
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 6:16 PM
> 
>      So now I've come to your post about llamas, which I had never
> considered 
> having.   Hmmm.   Can llamas be trained to pull a cart or buggy that one 
> rides in?    Or just led as pack animals?
>      Shivani
> 
> In a message dated 9/23/08 12:22:44 PM, 
> permaculture-request@lists.ibiblio.org writes:
> > 
> > > In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about
> > > other animals, like horses.? I know that horses eat far too much to
> > > make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long
> > > run.? But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can
> > > carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing
> > > 1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds
> > > will carry about 50-75 pounds).? They also keep brush down, as
> > > browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for
> > > spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,
> > > and are friendly as companions.? Just a thought.
> > >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:04:48 -0400
> From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <lflj@intrex.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] Quassia for amoebic dysentery,        giardia and
>       worms? - Boing Boing
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> Quassia for amoebic dysentery, giardia and worms? - Boing Boing
> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/22/quassia-for-amoebic.html
> Boing Boing - A directory of wonderful things
> Quassia for amoebic dysentery, giardia and worms?
> Posted by Mark Frauenfelder, October 22, 2008 4:01 PM | permalink
> 200810221601
> 
> Evan Ravitz has a knoll about curing parasitical infections naturally with 
> Quassia, which contains the "phytochemical 
> quassin, the bitterest substance found in nature."
> 
>      People traveling in 3rd world countries are often afraid of intestinal 
> parasites, but, having lived for 3 years in 
> poorer areas of Mexico and 2 in Guatemala, I learned there are easy 
> solutions. I picked up amoebic dysentery several 
> times while on long bicycle trips, and knowing how to deal with them, I was 
> able to continue with no problems. This 
> method is for healthy people only!
> 
>      Here's how I do it: If my gut hurts, I wait two days. If it's just a 
> bacterial infection, you should start to feel 
> better. Coconut milk is very soothing. Definitely avoid alcohol and sweets, 
> which bacteria and other parasites love.
> 
>      If after 2 days, you feel as bad or worse, you should start treatment 
> with a ?full-spectrum antibiotic? -or the 
> herb Quassia, which is used in much the same way -especially if there is 
> mucus in your feces and sulphur in the gas you 
> pass.In most of Latin America, just go to a Pharmacia and ask for Flagyl 
> (or the generic Metronidazole), the cheap drug 
> available everywhere or say ?tengo amebas? (?I have amoebas?) and they'll 
> almost certainly give you Flagyl. In the U.S. 
> you need a prescription, so DON'T WAIT until you return or you'll have to 
> pay for expensive tests to get treatment 
> -while the amoebas are eating your lunch, dinner and breakfast and you are 
> getting weaker.
> 
>      Quassia won't make you feel as bad as Flagyl, but neither is fun. Both 
> are killing everything in your gut, so you 
> need to replenish the beneficial bacteria with probiotics, like yoghurt, 
> kefir, sauerkraut, miso, etc., after the treatment.
> 
>      Often people with amoebas will wait longer until they're really sick 
> and go to a doctor for a stool test. If they 
> don't find the amoebas with a microscope the first time, and you wait 
> longer, it will take weeks or more to recover your 
> strength after you take the treatment. That's why I assume I have them if I 
> don't feel better in 2 days. Neither 
> treatment is pleasant, but you'll function fine, which is nearly impossible 
> with amoebas.
> 
>      Quassia is available at herb and health food shops. It will be either 
> shredded or chopped. Take a large handful on 
> your trip, which should cost a few bucks.
> 
> How to cure amoebic dysentery, giardia and worms with Quassia
> http://knol.google.com/k/evan-ravitz/cure-parasites-naturally/3cmgruezxadws/2#
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:17:39 -0600
> From: "Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> To: "'permaculture'" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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> I swallow a few raw as I peel and deseed the fruit.
> 
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Robert Waldrop
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:05 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> 
> This is pretty interesting. Do you eat them raw? 
> Chew them or crack them or swallow them whole?
> 
> Bob Waldrop, OKC
> www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>
> To: "'permaculture'" 
> <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> 
> 
> When I am in the tropics I eat a few paw-paw seeds 
> to kill intestinal
> parasites that I may pick up - particularly worms. 
> I eat four or five a day
> and have never suffered any ill effects.
> 
> Scott Pittman
> Director
> Permaculture Institute
> www.permaculture.org
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On 
> Behalf Of Paul d'Aoust
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:25 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] paw paw seeds
> 
> Further to what Jordan says, PFAF says the seeds 
> contain toxic
> alcaloids, and are emetic (i.e., make you barf):
> 
> http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Asimina+triloba
> 
> El vie, 17-10-2008 a las 16:53 -0700, Jordan Fink 
> escribi?:
> > I would say "NO"
> > paw paws are already slightly carcinogenic, and 
> > their seeds are very
> > poisonous from what ive read.
> >
> > -j
> >
> >
> > > Can I eat the seeds of the paw paws now that 
> > > the fruit stage has gone
> > > by (which I missed..) I am able to pick up 
> > > some of the dried up pods
> > > with seeds. Are they ok to eat?
> > >
> > > Paul K..southern Illinois
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:30:49 -0500
> From: "Robert Waldrop" <bwaldrop@cox.net>
> Subject: [permaculture] Reminder of Financial Permaculture event
>       internet        access
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> Below is a reminder from the Solari Network of the Financial Permaculture 
> event that starts tomorrow (Friday, Oct 24) and runs through next Tuesday.  
> If you aren't attending, you can follow the event through the various event 
> blogs, linked below.
> 
> Bob Waldrop, www.bobwaldrop.net 
> Oklahoma Food Coop, www.oklahomafood.coop
> Barking Frogs Permaculture, www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
> 
> ==============================================
> Transforming Our Financial System ... From the Bottom Up
> ==============================================
> 
> The central bankers of the world are planning to meet in Europe to
> redesign the financial system from the top down. From Friday, October
> 24 through Tuesday, October 28, a diverse group of permaculturists,
> entrepreneurs, community leaders, and investment strategists are
> gathering in Hohenwald, Tennessee, to transform the financial system
> from the bottom up, contributing to efforts that are spreading
> virally, creating liquidity and economic health.
> 
> =============================================
> Get the Details on the Financial Permaculture Conference
> =============================================
> 
> http://www.financialpermaculture.com
> http://solari.com/events/financial-permaculture/
> 
> For those of you who will not be joining us in person at the
> conference, we hope you will join us in the blogosphere -- by either
> posting at your blog, commenting at one of ours, referring our blog to
> your network (www.solari.com/blog/), or just enjoying the discussion.  See 
> all http://www.financialpermaculture.org for daily updates and 
> participation.
> 
> Here are some recent blog posts to inspire your participation:
> 
> Financial Permaculture in Hohenwald - Final Schedule
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1738
> 
> Principles of Financial Permaculture
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1730
> 
> Solari Circles - An Intro for Financial Permaculture Students
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1718
> 
> Can Our Own Communities Serve as Financial Safe Havens in Troubled
> Times?
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1706
> 
> Financial Permaculture - Meet the Finance Team
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1674
> 
> Financial Permaculture - Meet the Food Coop Leaders
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1717
> 
> We Welcome Your Help: Small Business Structures
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1714
> 
> Financial Permaculture - Got a Comment?
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1734
> 
> =====================================
> Join the Solari Prayer Team by Teleconference
> =====================================
> 
> I would also like to invite you to join our Solari Prayer Team by
> phone conference line for short periods of group prayer before and
> during the conference itself. We will focus on the goals of the
> conference and the many people who are attending in various
> capacities. The prayer will be led in the Christian tradition, and we
> always invite participants on our prayer calls to take part in a way
> that is true to their own religious or spiritual path and
> understanding.
> 
> Here are the details on how to join us:
> http://solari.com/blog/?p=1735
> 
> ==========================
> 2008: Live in San Francisco DVD
> ==========================
> 
> If you haven't had the opportunity yet, you can watch a video clip of
> our latest DVD, 2008: Live in San Francisco. This live presentation
> highlights material from the Solari Audio seminar: Positioning Your
> Assets for Growth in Uncertain Times.
> 
> Watch the video clip:
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