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[Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>]

Hi Christopher,
   
  Did you need to coat the inside of the ferrocement with a waterproof 
sealant?  I'm thinking about an indoor application.  Indoors, venting is also 
more important and I've had to install a small, DC fan to reduce the odor 
during use.  We have crazy wind and air flow issues.
   
  Rain

       
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Hi All,

I seem to have encountered conflicting data and wondered if anyone out =
there had any experience, one way or the other, with this.  In Edible =
Forest Gardens, in the list of plants negatively affected by juglones, =
on page 555, Castanea spp. are listed (chestnuts).

Yet, on another website:  =
http://www.npr.org/programs/talkingplants/why/2002/walnutguide.html , =
Castanea spp. are listed as "tolerant" of black walnut toxicity.

So, does anyone have any real experience with both trees together.  I =
have several chestnut seedlings and want to plant them in my yard, which =
is full of mature black walnuts.  But I definitely don't want to lose =
the chestnuts...or retard their growth. =20

Please, share your experiences, if you have them.  Thanks!

Lisa, in the Mo Ozarks, USA
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Not sure about the ability of giardia to survive for 12 months in compost
and even if it did i don't think anyone would suggest putting the compost in
direct contact with their food. (Although Mr Jenkins does seem to skate
pretty close the the wind on this)

Always best to use that kind of compost on your fruit trees rather than you
root vegetables.

On the topic of Giardia's ability to survive a compost, this study by the
University of Arizona and University of South Florida seems to suggest that
after 175 days the baddies are just about anihilated. So after 365 you have
to be getting pretty safe.

*On the topic of giardia's ability to survive in compost I found this study
by the Finnish Agricultural Chemistry Department.*
*The occurrence of enteroviruses, Giardia cysts, Cryptosporidium
oocysts and Salmonella
were determined in municipal composted domestic solid waste, and solid waste
to which extra diapers had been added to increase their concentration 2-4
fold (6.6-7.7% by weight) above that found normally in municipal solid waste
before composting. The compost was tested at various periods of time during
aging (101-203 days). No enteroviruses or protozoan cysts or oocysts were
detected in any of the samples collected during this period. One sample out
of 19 collected (after 175 days aging) was positive for Salmonella. These
results suggest that enteric pathogens were destroyed during the composting
process, or were present in numbers below the detection method (i.e. one
organism per 40-50 g of compost) used in this study. *
http://wmr.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/13/4/315

*
*
As for water pollution. Totally agreed! You should definitely ensure that
your compost system should be flood proof and incapable of polluting nearby
water.

It would be excellent if all the dodgy municipal sewerage systems and the
millions of "approved" home septic (anaerobic) sewerage systems world wide
did the same.

Nick

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Mathew Waehner <waehner@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think Giardia would have no problem surviving a year in a refrigerator,
> or ordinary soil.
>
> What I found missing from Joseph Jenkins excellent humanure book was the
> need to isolate your manure pile from water systems and protect it from
> potential torrential rains or floods.  You would want to do that even with
> perfectly sterile manure to prevent nutrient pollution and eutrophiciation
> in the water.
>
>
>
>
> On 5/22/08, T Remiarz <tomasremiarz@cooptel.net> wrote:
> >
> > sounds like wheeliebins have been waiting for this all their lives! we
> > created a very similar system to hamish's for dealing with the humanure
> of
> > activist gatherings in this country.
> >
> > x t
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