permaculture

[efmonaco@comcast.net (Gene Monaco)]

While it's hard to disagree with LL, there's a less combative approach:
Seek (and find) a registered professional with whom you can partner (they're 
out there).  You could green up their designs -- designs to which you would 
not otherwise have had access.  And they can cover you on the projects and 
clients you bring in on your own.  This beats spending energy to keep out of 
jail.  The synergistic effect of two or more working together creates the 
harmonic of a group keeper that has its own distinct identity.  Alone we can 
accomplish very little.  Together... ?
Gene Monaco


> > Hi folks, 
> > 
> > I'm new to the list. I have a question for you all. 
> > 
> > How are you doing? Are you back home yet? 
> > 
> > I wanted to ask your take on something. Here in the states (and in 
> > Australia too from what I gather...) the Landscape Architecture 
> > profession 
> > has been cracking down on people who are doing work the LAs consider 
> > their 
> > privilege. 
> > 
> > According to a head of the state board that I talked to, if you are 
> > drawing designs for the purposes of guiding earth-moving or landscaping, 
> > you are doing landscape architecture and need to be registered, or 
> > working 
> > under someone who is registered, or you need to be an Engineer. 
> > 
> > Not too long ago, it was more open. NOw, the fines are very steep. 
> > 
> > Much of what I want to do with my Permaculture knowledge involves 
> > earthworks and large-scale design. Do I need to go the LA route to be 
> > able 
> > to design and lead these kinds of projects? 
> > 
> > what's your take on it? 
> 
> 
> I'll tell you exactly. I was an organic landscape contractor for 16 years; 
> took on all sorts of challenges. If I knew then what I know now and if I 
> had had 
> the skills, expertise, experience and knowledge of permaculture that I do 
> now my 
> customers would have beat a path to my door to get me to do work for them. 
> Even 
> so 
> I did good work then and lots of stonework. 
> 
> The answer to your question about the LA is that they have absolutely no 
> right, 
> legal or otherwise 
> to chalenge your right to implement your permaculture designs for your 
> customers. 
> The city, county, state and federal government _may_ have regulations and 
> laws 
> that you will 
> be expected to be knowledgeable about and to abide by. Locally these are 
> planning rules such as setback requirements, 
> tree removal, etc. The county and state may have civil engineering rules 
> that 
> may affect your designs and construction. 
> Such things as site preparation that might cause erosion, site drainage 
> after 
> construction is finished, excavating water 
> impoundments (leaching into the water table would be an issue and would 
> affect 
> the pond depth and may require a 
> consultation with them to determine acceptable locations on site and 
> whether any 
> lining material would need to be 
> applied). These are all things you probably already expect and plan to 
> address 
> in your designs so its a moot point. 
> Knowing the rules created by all the affected agencies would be a good 
> idea. A 
> call to your county planning and 
> environmental departments would be useful, same to state departments. If 
> you're 
> building a water impoundment they will 
> want to know about it to make sure you do it right. Issues are leaching 
> into 
> ground water, if any, the slope on the 
> sides of the pond and setback from property lines; if a dam is to be built 
> it 
> must meet state specs to avoid any 
> potential future disasters; overflow must meet specs as it will run into 
> the 
> local watershed and possibly onto a 
> neighbor's land. Attention must be paid to the wishes of neighbors to avoid 
> any 
> lawsuits; if their trees are afffected 
> by your constuction you need to make sure it is in a neutral or positive 
> way. 
> 
> So, if your make application to all the necessary regulatory agencies and 
> get 
> their approval then the LA can say exactly 
> nothing. ---- unless they're lawsuit happy and have more & better paid 
> lawyers 
> than you do, still you should still win. 
> 
> > According to a head of the state board that I talked to, if you are 
> > drawing designs for the purposes of guiding earth-moving or landscaping, 
> > you are doing landscape architecture and need to be registered, or 
> > working 
> > under someone who is registered, or you need to be an Engineer. 
> 
> That's just BS; they're just trying to intimidate you. See above. There are 
> Landscape Planners, Permaculture designers 
> and Landscape Gardeners. They all "draw designs for the purposes of guiding 
> earth-moving or landscaping". 
> I would ignore them. If they harass you they can be taken to court by your 
> state's Attorney General's office for 
> violating your right to work (if your state has that law). 
> 
> LL 
> 
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I like that idea of renaming,reframing the PDC in the context of the lif=
e experience nessecary after the course to practice it.
  and not trying to make something more then it is.
 Andrew
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