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  • From: christopher nesbitt <christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Two schools of permaculture?
  • Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:58:35 -0600

Nick,

Our farm was a badly overgrazed cattle pasture and citrus monoculture 20 years ago. For years all we did was plant trees. I am sure 20 years ago we would have been "wannabes", too. Many people said we weren't even farming. Now look at the place! We now have a very diverse polyculture that provides the bul of our food, most of the timber in our buildings, piles of medicinals, hundreds of species of plants, renewable energy, feeds our chickens, ducks and turkeys a composting toilet, etc, etc, etc. The results of 20 years of work can be seen here: www.mmrfbz.org

I found the tone of Scotts original post condescending. Part of why I mostly read a lot here and contribute little here is because of these sorts of behaviors.

Right now, I mostly forage for my food. Today I spent a lazy day at home, collected 10 coconuts, four bunch of banana, a pile of firewoood, dug up some leaf cutter ants to feed our chickens, collected some breadnut, collected some pumpkins, ate some tomatoes, ate some star apple (caimito), checked some pineapple, and drank a few water coconuts.

I am sure your place is well on it;s way to being amazing. That you have such a great teacher teaching there right now says a lot about you and your property.

Good for you for rehabilitating a damaged piece of land!

Best wishes,

Christopher
On Apr 11, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Nick Ritar wrote:

There are also people who have moved onto conventionally developed
properties that are converting them over to the permaculture way.

We are currently running our first PDC with Darren Doherty as our guest
teacher. We are developing our property as a demonstration site fordawncheated
permaculture techniques, but the place was terribly degraded by overgrazing
and already has 2000 olive trees planted as a monoculture.

http://www.milkwoodpermaculture.com.au
http://www.milkwood.net

I'm not sure if we are the education centre mentioned above but we might as
well be, we even have an image on our site which could be the one mentioned
above. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cicada/211354860/in/set-1367910/

Should we have bulldozed those olives before offering our first course?

I suppose we are wanna be's..... our farm isn't a perfect example of a
fully evolved permaculture system, but we want it to be.

Nick




On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
wrote:

This is always "How it is" Shivana in permaculture and in every other
endeavor. There are always those out there who are trying to capitalize on
a
good thing, or those whose alligator mouth overwhelms their coon dog ass,
if
you know what I mean.

But let me assure you there is only one school of permaculture but there
is
always, of course, the wanna be school.

Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org


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Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:40 AM
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Subject: [permaculture] Two schools of permaculture?

I've been reading Jacke's Edible Forest Gardens. The copying of the
way
Nature does things by mingling many different trees, shrubs,perennials and
groundcovers seems a wise way to go.
However, I see that many people who call themselves and their projects
permaculture are still doing monoculture. For instance, the other day I
came
across the URL for a what was described as a model permaculture farm and
teaching center in Australia, to find when I looked at the arial map on
their
website that they have big blocks of trees in rows, each block of a
different
species.
What's up? Are there folks who think that as long as you're not
tilling
that's permaculture, even if you have monoculture, and then others who
think

that monoculture is not permaculture?
We are creating a permaculture farm community, and want to get advice
from a permaculture expert. But it seems that we'll have to find out
which

subschool each expert follows. Is this how it is?
Shivani in WI


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