permaculture

[christopher nesbitt <christopher.nesbitt@mmrfbz.org>]

Nick,

Our farm was a badly overgrazed cattle pasture and citrus monoculture  
20 years ago. For years all we did was plant trees. I am sure 20  
years ago we would have been "wannabes", too. Many people said we  
weren't even farming. Now look at the place!  We now have a very  
diverse polyculture that provides the bul of our food, most of the  
timber in our buildings, piles of medicinals, hundreds of species of  
plants, renewable energy, feeds our chickens, ducks and turkeys a  
composting toilet, etc, etc, etc. The results of 20 years of work can  
be seen here: www.mmrfbz.org

I found the tone of Scotts original post condescending. Part of why I  
mostly read a lot here and contribute little here is because of these  
sorts of behaviors.

Right now, I mostly forage for my food. Today I spent a lazy day at  
home, collected 10 coconuts, four bunch of banana, a pile of  
firewoood, dug up some leaf cutter ants to feed our chickens,  
collected some breadnut, collected some pumpkins, ate some tomatoes,  
ate some star apple (caimito), checked some pineapple, and drank a  
few water coconuts.

I am sure your place is well on it;s way to being amazing. That you  
have such a great teacher teaching there right now says a lot about  
you and your property.

Good for you for rehabilitating a damaged piece of land!

Best wishes,

Christopher
On Apr 11, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Nick Ritar wrote:

> There are also people who have moved onto conventionally developed
> properties that are converting them over to the permaculture way.
>
> We are currently running our first PDC with Darren Doherty as our  
> guest
> teacher.  We are developing our property as a demonstration site  
> fordawncheated
> permaculture techniques, but the place was terribly degraded by  
> overgrazing
> and already has 2000 olive trees planted as a monoculture.
>
> http://www.milkwoodpermaculture.com.au
> http://www.milkwood.net
>
> I'm not sure if we are the education centre mentioned above but we  
> might as
> well be,  we even have an image on our site which could be the one  
> mentioned
> above. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cicada/211354860/in/set-1367910/
>
> Should we have bulldozed those olives before offering our first  
> course?
>
> I suppose we are wanna be's.....  our farm isn't a perfect example  
> of a
> fully evolved permaculture system, but we want it to be.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Scott Pittman  
> <scott@permaculture.org>
> wrote:
>
> > This is always "How it is" Shivana in permaculture and in every other
> > endeavor. There are always those out there who are trying to  
> > capitalize on
> > a
> > good thing, or those whose alligator mouth overwhelms their coon  
> > dog ass,
> > if
> > you know what I mean.
> >
> > But let me assure you there is only one school of permaculture but  
> > there
> > is
> > always, of course, the wanna be school.
> >
> > Scott Pittman
> > Director
> > Permaculture Institute
> > www.permaculture.org
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org
> > [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> > SArjuna@aol.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:40 AM
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [permaculture] Two schools of permaculture?
> >
> >    I've been reading Jacke's Edible Forest Gardens.   The copying  
> > of the
> > way
> > Nature does things by mingling many different trees,  
> > shrubs,perennials and
> > groundcovers seems a wise way to go.
> >    However, I see that many people who call themselves and their  
> > projects
> > permaculture are still doing monoculture.   For instance, the  
> > other day I
> > came
> > across the URL for a what was described as a model permaculture  
> > farm and
> > teaching center in Australia, to find when I looked at the arial  
> > map on
> > their
> > website that they have big blocks of trees in rows, each block of a
> > different
> > species.
> >    What's up?   Are there folks who think that as long as you're not
> > tilling
> > that's permaculture, even if you have monoculture, and then others  
> > who
> > think
> >
> > that monoculture is not permaculture?
> >     We are creating a permaculture farm community, and want to get  
> > advice
> > from a permaculture expert.   But it seems that we'll have to find  
> > out
> > which
> >
> > subschool each expert follows.   Is this how it is?
> >     Shivani in WI
> >
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Christopher Nesbitt

Maya Mountain Research Farm
San Pedro Columbia, Toledo
PO 153 Punta Gorda Town, Toledo
BELIZE,
Central America

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