permaculture

[Paul d'Aoust <paul@heliosville.com>]

I loved Nick's comments on the matter. It seems to me more valuable to
keep established trees and structures if they're useful: The energy
required to bulldoze the orchard, mulch the wood, and establish new
plants is a lot more than that required to simply establish new plants
among the trees. We're trying to move towards a 'food forest' in most
cases anyway, so why not keep the forest if it's already there? A
monoculture isn't so great, but if you take out a number of the trees
and start transitioning to something more diverse, it could be quite a
happy permaculture.

Severely damaged ecosystems are great (although frustrating) places to
work the permaculture magic on, because permaculture is all about being
creative and healing the land.

Oh, and then there's the school of thought that says, 'if it's got
chickens, it's permaculture.'

Paul d'Aoust

On Sat, 2008-04-12 at 11:04 +1000, Nick Ritar wrote:
> There are also people who have moved onto conventionally developed
> properties that are converting them over to the permaculture way.
> 
> We are currently running our first PDC with Darren Doherty as our guest
> teacher.  We are developing our property as a demonstration site for
> permaculture techniques, but the place was terribly degraded by overgrazing
> and already has 2000 olive trees planted as a monoculture.
> 
> http://www.milkwoodpermaculture.com.au
> http://www.milkwood.net
> 
> I'm not sure if we are the education centre mentioned above but we might as
> well be,  we even have an image on our site which could be the one mentioned
> above. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cicada/211354860/in/set-1367910/
> 
> Should we have bulldozed those olives before offering our first course?
> 
> I suppose we are wanna be's.....  our farm isn't a perfect example of a
> fully evolved permaculture system, but we want it to be.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > This is always "How it is" Shivana in permaculture and in every other
> > endeavor. There are always those out there who are trying to capitalize on
> > a
> > good thing, or those whose alligator mouth overwhelms their coon dog ass,
> > if
> > you know what I mean.
> >
> > But let me assure you there is only one school of permaculture but there
> > is
> > always, of course, the wanna be school.
> >
> > Scott Pittman
> > Director
> > Permaculture Institute
> > www.permaculture.org
> >
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> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [permaculture] Two schools of permaculture?
> >
> >    I've been reading Jacke's Edible Forest Gardens.   The copying of the
> > way
> > Nature does things by mingling many different trees, shrubs,perennials and
> > groundcovers seems a wise way to go.
> >    However, I see that many people who call themselves and their projects
> > permaculture are still doing monoculture.   For instance, the other day I
> > came
> > across the URL for a what was described as a model permaculture farm and
> > teaching center in Australia, to find when I looked at the arial map on
> > their
> > website that they have big blocks of trees in rows, each block of a
> > different
> > species.
> >    What's up?   Are there folks who think that as long as you're not
> > tilling
> > that's permaculture, even if you have monoculture, and then others who
> > think
> >
> > that monoculture is not permaculture?
> >     We are creating a permaculture farm community, and want to get advice
> > from a permaculture expert.   But it seems that we'll have to find out
> > which
> >
> > subschool each expert follows.   Is this how it is?
> >     Shivani in WI
> >
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