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- From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch
- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:24:17 -0700
Robyn Francis wrote:
Mulches with a hard cellulose structure such as sawdust, wood chips,I'm having a hard time figuring out a mechanism for nitrogen to be drawn up more than a couple of millimeters, then across an interface, and into a fresh mulch layer. Rain and gravity will carry N downward. Volatilization might cause nitrogenous gases to rise, but mulch won't have any effect on that. If anything, a mulch layer would slow that down by keeping the soil cool. Movement of N upward seems to require an organism that gets its N in the soil, takes it upward into the mulch, and then eats the mulch carbon to balance the nitrogen, or vice versa. What would move more than a couple of mm? Bacteria won't move that far. Fungal hyphae can transport nutrients, but it would be unusual to have a fungus with intact mycelial strands that cross the interface, from nicely decomposed earth into rough woody mulch. Insects or worms? Maybe, but it seems weird. If someone knows of a mechanism, I stand eager to be enlightened.
eucalyptus leaves and pine needles have high N demands to break down. Some N
will be drawn from air but can also use up N from the top soil layer.
I've always understood that the only place there is N lockup with mulch is right at the mulch/soil interface. The mulch doesn't have much nitrogen in it to start with (400 to 1 C/N or so), so what happens in the mulch itself can't be called locking up, just absence. The interface is where the most active breakdown of woody mulch initially happens, until the wood's lignin is broken down enough for large-scale decomposition to start within the body of the mulch. I've never noticed N-starvation in wood-mulched plants (and I use woody mulch almost exclusively. Quite the contrary--plants love it. But like I say, I'll listen to an alternative explanation.
Toby
http://patternliteracy.com
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[permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
sinergyinaction, 10/25/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
yarrow, 10/25/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
Paul Cereghino, 10/25/2007
- Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch, sinergyinaction, 10/26/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
Dieter Brand, 10/26/2007
- Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch, Jay Woods, 10/26/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
Robyn Francis, 10/26/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
Toby Hemenway, 10/26/2007
- Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch, Lawrence F. London, Jr., 10/26/2007
- Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch, Keith Johnson, 10/26/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
Paul Cereghino, 10/27/2007
- Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch, Toby Hemenway, 10/29/2007
- Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch, paul wheaton, 10/31/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
Toby Hemenway, 10/26/2007
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- Re: [permaculture] from N-starvation to mulch approach, Dieter Brand, 10/27/2007
- Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch, Paul Cereghino, 10/27/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
Paul Cereghino, 10/25/2007
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Re: [permaculture] N-starvation and mulch,
yarrow, 10/25/2007
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