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["L. Santoyo Designs" <santoyo@earthflow.com>]

Sean, Claudia et al -

I think that everyone is in agreement about wanting to preserve the 
integrity of a Permaculture Design Certificate Course.  (Of course -a 
person that misses classes, design work, etc -wouldn't be eligible 
for a certificate of completion -why would they?)

> > "Teachers in the region had their own agendas and their own courses 
> > competing for students..."  
>
> > "Did people skip days and still get a certificate? "
>
> > "...I see this as a flaw in the modular format."

These additional questions, comments and concerns  -work to support 
the need for continuing training, constant contact with a qualified 
mentor and support the 2 year apprenticeship requirements that are 
invaluable for maintaining the highest standards and in creating 
highly experienced Instructors and Designers -everywhere.

As a small example: The first modular courses were taught over 15 
years ago! -lot's of the issues raised now are the same issues that, 
since these first courses, have been addressed and solved in many, 
many creative ways... (finding that out, in advance, is what a Mentor 
is for!)

I'm not against reinventing the wheel -but at least the wheel is a 
good point of departure...

Larry Santoyo
http://www.earthflow.com/


> Yes, Sean.  I am sorry for my negative tone.  There are personal 
> issues shaping this that I  am passing through.  Since I have your 
> attention, however, can you tell me if attendance was taken at the
> course?  Did people skip days and still get a certificate?  I am a 
> bit stumped on this point.  I can offer make-ups, (which I presume 
> the Inwood course did not) but this isn't really the same as being 
> there.
>
> I see this as a flaw in the modular format.
>
> Again, I apologize for mistakenly sending to the list.  In a way 
> though, it is good and right that our feelings are out in the open.  
> I think I mentioned the tears to Larry because permaculture does 
> operate on a deep emotional level at times.
>
> It would be nice to offer a free class sometime.  Perhaps we can talk 
> about how to do that.
> Thanks for your constructive comments.
>
> Peace to you,
> Claudia
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2007, at 4:22 PM, Sean Maley wrote:
>
> >  Just to be clear on the tears shed at the Inwood Nature Center in 
> >  Manhattan, ... they were tears of joy.  It took over a year and a 
> >  half of planning, false starts, and much failure.  Class locations
>  > pulled out on us at the last moment. 
> >  Luckily we were able to saturate both PDC classes here in 
> >  Manhattan, despite the false start of not enough students for 
> >  competing classes last October.
> >
> >  We offered a course for $300 (sliding scale) in Manhattan.  The 
> >  class space was free; 200 acres of old growth and last salt marsh 
> >  in Manhattan.  The location was not entirely friendly, though, as 
> >  key individuals no longer worked at the Nature Center by the time 
> >  the class began.  The teachers, whom we were able to pay, stayed at 
> >  an organizer's apartment for these six weekends.
> >
> >  The presentations shamed the presentations of the two week PDC I 
> >  attended.  As far as we understand, this was the first PDC in 
> >  Manhattan.
> >
> >  Even further, we have individuals out in NYC looking for places to 
> >  learn yet more.  I have some meeting in Inwood that attended this 
> >  class.  Others from the class have been meeting in Brooklyn.
> >
> >  We should be applauding such heroic efforts.  Thank you to Ethan 
> >  and to others for your involvement.  We are sure to have other 
> >  classes for those who would like to be involved.
> >
> >  It is our hopes to find a way of including students who earn 
> >  exploitative wages in proximity to Wall Street costs of living 
> >  (Bronx per capita income in 1999 was at the bottom of all counties 
> >  in NY state; gentrification has been altering the situation of late).
>  >
> >  in Oct 8, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Claudia Joseph wrote:
> >
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