permaculture

[John Fritz <johnfritz77@yahoo.com>]

My reading of the November 2000 Permaculture Activist article explicitly said 
that Pain did not focus on detailing how he extracted methane from the 
compost.  Nor have I seen any explanation of this elsewhere. If anyone who 
shares this interest can direct me, or others, to the "nuts and bolts" of 
Pain's methods, please do share; I, for one, would be glad to listen.  
Likewise, if anyone can make the arguement that soliciting MEN's help is in 
anyway hurtful to Permaculture activism, or this yahoogroup,  I will also 
listen.
   
  Just for the record: at this time I do not have any land on which to 
experiment.  I am simply trying to find out, exactly, what Pain did and help 
popularize this work.  Replication of his methods is sorely needed.  The 
scale of his work was large, but so were the problems he was addressing.  
Perhaps a co-op that shared the ownership and labor implied by the use of the 
specialty shredder he designed? 
   
  If anyone in the Ozarks region has made progress towards replication of his 
accomplishments, I would be willing to intern as time permits to help further 
this progress. 
   
  John Fritz, NW Arkansas.
   
   
  Message: 7
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 09:46:32 -0600
From: Steve Diver <steved@ncat.org>
Subject: [permaculture] Final Draft of Mother Earth News Petition
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
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The new generation of permaculture activisim is happening
with grassroots electronics and weekend on-site workshops.

Instead of waiting for handouts from publishers like MEN,
organizations, researchers, institutions, and NGOs.....  permaculture
activists do their own research and write their own documentation
and share through workshops.  Thus, they learn in the process and
they empower thousands of other people seeking a sustainable
approach to living on this earth.

The permaculture wikis and databases and web pages
can provide an instant publishing platform.

There is plenty of documentation and information on the
Jean Pain method.

The other part of the picture, as I noted, is that the equipment
is expensive and the labor is enormous.    Brushwood pile
collection, stacking, and management is beyond the capacity of
many part-time land managers.    

However, there are related appropriate technologies available
to gardeners and farmers to accomplish the same goals
of Jean Pain (biomass energy and buildup of soil organic
matter).

Instead of focusing on a "petition", I'd rather see you share
notes about your land management projects and goals
and see what kind of technical resources and advice you
can gather from this online pc community.  

Steve Diver
Fayetteville, AR




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