permaculture

[Rich Blaha <rich@mossbackfarm.com>]

Niels- "Really the ideal situation as I see it is that /all/ 
permaculture designs are published online."

Testify, brother.  That would be perfect, and get lots of new ideas in 
circulation.  I really like your thoughts for a central database...best 
of luck with the PAB project.  I think the current bottleneck is the 
distributed nature of permaculture....since there's not an effective 
central clearinghouse of 'official' pc information, it'd have to be a 
voluntary effort on the part of instructors to require the documents to 
be public....perhaps posted at PAB??? 
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Harry- "On ownership, something along the lines of the Creative Commons 
of Copyleft might be pursued."

Absolutely.  In the zip file is info on the creative commons license 
that I released the design under.  Details are at 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/1.0/

This is a great system to cover the intellectual property rights of 
creative works, while at the same time recognizing the reality of 
digital media and its ease of distribution. 

Rich
www.mossbackfarm.com/journal

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>   3. Suggestion for Design Sources/Soluition Re: Farm design
>      online (Niels Corfield)
>   4. Re: Suggestion for Design Sources/Soluition Re: Farm design
>      online (Harry Wykman)
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:36:49 +0100
From: Niels Corfield <mudguard@gmail.com>
Subject: [permaculture] Suggestion for Design Sources/Soluition Re:
        Farm design online
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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Rich-

This has been one of my pet issues.
I started my research by trying to locate completed designs but with no 
joy at all.
Really the ideal situation as I see it is that /all/ permaculture 
designs are published online.
I think the best/simplest mechanism for this from now on would be to 
have all designs from diplomas and PDC being submitted online.
On a central database.
There maybe some issues with ownership but i think if its done through a 
course people then there is less comeback on this one.

This is one of the goals for the next phase of the Permaculture Assoc 
Britain (PAB) website.
Which we hope to have at least integrated into the consultation phase 
this year.

However I am having difficulty finding a online codebase/technology that 
can handle the new media rich/user driven web presence for the PAB.
There will need to be substantial integration of tagging, image 
management etc which to me, a non-coder, seems only available in a 
proprietary form.
For example: Flickr for images, delicious for bookmarking.
At least there is Scuttle.org to replace delicious but I don't know how 
easy it will be to integrate its functions for database retrieval, 
rather than just URLs.
Anyone got any good ideas on  this front? Would be nice to hear.
We are looking to fund-raise for this, so if a coder is to hired then 
that is a possibility.
Right now though we need to see what our options are, particularly with 
regards to technologies.

Cheers,
Niels

Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:12:38 +0800
From: Harry Wykman <harrybw@iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Suggestion for Design Sources/Soluition
        Re: Farm design online
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Message-ID: <4496F726.5040609@iinet.net.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Some questions have been being asked on the permaculture oceana list 
recently regarding open source (permaculture / garden) design software.  
It would be very exciting if something along those lines were 
progressed.  The synergy between P/c and open source / free software 
seems very productive.  On ownership, something along the lines of the 
Creative Commons of Copyleft might be pursued.  People could license 
their designs from a suite of licenses that allowed sharing under 
certain conditions.  These kind of agreements have their ancestry in the 
GNU public license which was developed for free never-for-profit software.

Harry Wykman