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  • From: "Deborah" <dtv13@verizon.net>
  • To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Way of life
  • Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:50:30 -0500

***Highly presumptious statement. Doesn't matter whether Mollison or anyone
else says it, I say that permaculture can be thoroughly practiced in NYC.
Permaculture can be practiced anywhere whether you live in a 60th-floor
apartment (ever heard of organic hydroponics?, aquaponics?) or on a 10000
acre cattle ranch in the middle of Iowa. No matter where you go, there you
are.***

Certainly, different aspects of PC can be practiced anywhere. But, how
sustainable is an apt on the 60th floor, even the 3rd floor? And particularly
if there's no energy to pump water? No water... no hydroponics or
aquaponics... or people.
Without energy, no elevators. Do you walk up and down 60 flights of stairs
every time you want to go outdoors, or to the garden which might be in zone
10?
At best, PCizing a high rise apt seems like an acceptable interim strategy.
It seems that it might be difficult to be in touch with Earth when one is not
in touch with Earth, but 20, 40, 60 ft above her.
I applaud anyone who attempts PC in the city, much less an apt building, but
I find it really hard to imagine providing all (or even a majority) of one's
needs in an apt.
I visited some of the links to the 'green' apts in NYC. I don't mean to
minimize or be critical, so don't hear it that way, but, does each apt need
its own washer and dryer? Were they designed for cross ventilation? The
photos didn't look 'green' to me. In fact I saw no green space and very few
trees. I saw many things that could've been designed differently and better.
I look forward to hearing from folks in NYC, or any city for that matter,
about things they figure out.
Deborah


Why debate whether it can be done, just go and do it, do something new and
innovative.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence F. London, Jr.<mailto:lfl@intrex.net>
To: permaculture<mailto:permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Way of life


Tradingpost wrote:

> Perhaps you'll be good enough to show us where in Mollison & Holmgren's
original work that the permaculture
> concept can be lived in the city or under a bridge. I'd like to see it.

Highly presumptious statement. Doesn't matter whether Mollison or anyone
else says it, I say that permaculture can
be thoroughly practiced in NYC. Permaculture can be practiced anywhere
whether you live in a 60th-floor apartment
(ever heard of organic hydroponics?, aquaponics?) or on a 10000 acre cattle
ranch in the middle of Iowa. No matter
where you go, there you are.

Why debate whether it can be done, just go and do it, do something new and
innovative.

LL
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