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  • From: Charles Knoles <charles@growfood.org>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: [permaculture] Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 10, Issue 5
  • Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 13:35:24 -0600

I have to echo mIEKAL aND's take on Sea buckthorns. I've planted them here in Iowa (zone 5, heavy clay soil) and they grow but don't produce fruit. All the local fruit freaks have sworn off them including Tom Wahl who says he will never plant one again.

Looking at their native range though I would guess that this is due to the heavy clay soil rather than the cold. They are native to sand dunes in Russia and have become a pest plant on the coastlines in many parts of Europe where they have been introduced. 3 years ago I planted a row of them on a friend's land near here. The row went down a very mild grade at the bottom of which, water collected. The trees showed an enormous increase in growth the further away from water they were. 7-8 feet tall on the uphill end and 4-5 feet tall at the downhill end. I think they just like really well drained sandy soil in which case Samm's land might be perfect. I'd want to check out if there are any locals who have planted Sea buckthorns and gotten fruit from them otherwise do a test planting of them and *please* tell us how it goes, I am very intrigued by this plant and would love to know their full productive range in N. America.

Charlie


1. Re[2]: [permaculture] Sandy soil (Ute Bohnsack)
The question is, can you grow Hippophae in Northern Wisconsin?
Perhaps you have to look at other species (e.g. Caragana, Elaeagnus).
I planted some Hippophae around my first little 'orchard' here in
Ireland. The apples are seven years old, the sea buckthorn 5, but the
sea buckthorn are twice the size of the apple trees now even though they were only a
foot high when planted. But then I'm in a temperate atlantic climate
here. Sea buckthorn also suckers - not a problem for me as I
transplant them or simply mow them down, but this could be a problem
with annual cropping in between rows.

All the best,
Ute
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 17:53:03 -0800
From: mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Re: permaculture Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
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I have a lot of 6 year old seabuckthorn, mixed planting seedlings which
are only a meter & half high & have shown no signs of fruiting. & in
the heavy clayloam soils here they also show no sign of suckering or
getting out of control. One of the keys to an alleycrop interplant in
wisconsin should be that it starts bearing in 3 years & productive by
4-5. here in southwest WI, that would be gooseberries, currants,
elderberries, grapes, bush cherries, siberian C peaches, sunchokes,
groundnut, curly willow & basket willows.... if youre interested in
taste, flavor, disease resistence, productivity then varietal choices
are really important. one of the wisest sources I know of for that
detail of information is NAFEX. their archives is searchable at:
https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/nafex/ & I highly recommend the list
as well. there's even a few permaculturaholics subscribed.

mIEKAL





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