permaculture

["nguyen trung" <nttrung15@hotmail.com>]

Hello John Schinniger:

 I like your attitude about pacifism instead of passivism.  In your Whole 
System Design, do you include a program for cultivating future world 
leaders?  I notice that current leaders whose decisions have global affects 
seem to come from affluent families.   "Children learn what they live": they 
carry with them the  values of their own family, often narrow and skewed, 
from which base they make decisions.

 "It takes a whole village to raise a child" a saying goes.  It may take 
the whole planet to raise its future leaders through support and 
mentorships.  Capable, conscientious youngsters from as many nations as 
possible, regardless of financial or social background, be coached with 
endemic leadership qualities as well as environmental awareness, and be 
prepared to lead their own people in not so far a future.  When that happens 
there is hope for peace and global sustainability.

 As I was writing the above idea, my mind was echoing with questions, 
objections, doubts, but I pressed on.  It is important to have goals, 
difficulties can be overcome.  I like the Marines' motto "the difficult can 
be done now, the impossible will take a little longer" (or something similar 
to that).

 Thanks for the opportunity to get this off my chest.

Trung

> From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net>
> Reply-To: john@eco-living.net,permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> To: "Permaculture List" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Subject: RE: [permaculture] Bucky Fuller, interesting Usenet newsgroups
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT)
>
> Aloha,
>
> > From my point of view having started as an environmentalist then turning
> > to become a family therapist...I'd say just by judging by your title of
> > a whole systems design you might approach issues from a whole systems
> > perspective with regards to any given individual.
>
> Indeed, I do.
> IMO there is little use for blaming and finger-pointing in whole systems
> design (including the permaculture manifestation of it).  It never gets me
> what I want - that is, it does not help create alternatives to existing
> systems that I do not like.
>
> > There are a myriad of factors that lead to the creation of environment
> > disrespecting perspectives.  From a whole systems approach, politicians
> > and corporations have contributed to the cycle.
>
> And so have/do citizens, by being passive and/or seeing themselves as 
> victims.
>  Blaming is an enabling behavior for passivity and victimhood, regardless 
> of
> who's doing it.
>
> Ghandi didn't catalyze the British departure from colonial power in India 
> by
> blaming or being a victim.  He was a pacifist, but not a passivist.
> The masses of people who joined him didn't get what they wanted by sitting
> around whinging and moaning about how badly they were being treated.  They
> designed, and they took action on their own behalf.
>
> It appears that not enough of "us" are willing to do that at present, so 
> the
> existing systems continue for now.
>
> > ...they afflict attitudes through policy, disrespecting
> > people as workers and through disrespecting communities that work to
> > protect themselves from its polluting corporate members.
>
> They may diss me, but that doesn't mean I have to diss myself.
> There *is* a lack of training available in not dissing oneself, however.  
> We
> tend to teach the opposite (dissing oneself, that is) in our culture - and 
> we
> also focus heavily on teaching dissing others.
>
> > Sending jobs overseas, fast track, NAFTA, etc., doesn't help communities
> > and that sure was the work of politicians and corporations.  I think you
> > ignore the big picture!  Whole communities haven fallen apart and the
> > next thing we have are the oppressed/depressed people left behind.  How
> > do you think they feel?  I'm not excusing the poor acts of individuals,
> > though it may sound that way, I want to point out that the only thing
> > that has been trickling down from many a failed economic rationale is
> > want and anger.
> >
> > I cannot believe what I have learned reading up on US farm history and
> > the breaking of the small farmer at the hands of the corporate
> > agribusiness/central banks for political reasons as well as monetary
> > gain; just look at all those interlocking directorates.  It still occurs
> > today!
>
>
>
> John Schinnerer - MA, Whole Systems Design
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