I don't think things really change by developing leaders. I think
things change by developing leadership in everyone. Developing
leaders means some will lead and others will follow. I think it is better
to teach people how to lead themselves. Leading the individual is
probably the hardest thing to do in making sure that while leading oneself you
have to honor the ideas and opinions of all the other leaders. I
think the worlds systems as we know it are based on people following
leaders. It also implies that we need to be lead because we could
never figure it out without those who lead. Some might say it makes it
easier to have leaders lead...but just look at any political body
and they are all less than honest with a huge lack of integrity
and trust. Seeing the individual as part of the whole and working
towards that end with each person taking complete responsibility for his
thoughts, ideas etc. and being able to act, in concert on those
ideas. Being able to sit and talk all the ideas out until all are heard
and a consensus is reached after and only after everyone is heard.
Teaching people just how important and valuable they are. I don't
think this happens when we follow and others lead. I lead me and you lead
you and together it becomes easier to go forward....in a line. It
takes work but it develops an enormous amount of intimacy. And intimacy is
probably the best checks and balance system. If I am intimate with you I
won't pollute your yard and I won't liter in it. If I am not intimate with
you...who cares? I dont' really know you. Hence the
reason we made laws....because we are not intimate with each other so
someone has to keep us in line. I could go on but I think the
point is made. Why not go all the way if your going to create a workable
system? It's all doable, just gotta do it.
Ria
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Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 4:24
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Subject: RE: [permaculture] Bucky Fuller,
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Hello John Schinniger:
I like your attitude about
pacifism instead of passivism. In your Whole System Design, do you
include a program for cultivating future world leaders? I notice
that current leaders whose decisions have global affects seem to come from
affluent families. "Children learn what they live": they carry
with them the values of their own family, often narrow and skewed,
from which base they make decisions.
"It takes a whole
village to raise a child" a saying goes. It may take the whole
planet to raise its future leaders through support and mentorships.
Capable, conscientious youngsters from as many nations as possible,
regardless of financial or social background, be coached with endemic
leadership qualities as well as environmental awareness, and be prepared
to lead their own people in not so far a future. When that happens
there is hope for peace and global sustainability.
As I was
writing the above idea, my mind was echoing with questions, objections,
doubts, but I pressed on. It is important to have goals,
difficulties can be overcome. I like the Marines' motto "the
difficult can be done now, the impossible will take a little longer" (or
something similar to that).
Thanks for the opportunity to
get this off my chest.
Trung
>From: "John Schinnerer" <john@eco-living.net> >Reply-To:
john@eco-living.net,permaculture
<permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> >To:
"Permaculture List" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> >Subject:
RE: [permaculture] Bucky Fuller, interesting Usenet newsgroups >Date:
Wed, 22 Oct 2003 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) > >Aloha, > >
> From my point of view having started as an environmentalist then
turning > > to become a family therapist...I'd say just by judging by
your title of > > a whole systems design you might approach issues
from a whole systems > > perspective with regards to any given
individual. > >Indeed, I do. >IMO there is little use for
blaming and finger-pointing in whole systems >design (including the
permaculture manifestation of it). It never gets me >what I want -
that is, it does not help create alternatives to existing >systems that
I do not like. > > > There are a myriad of factors that lead to
the creation of environment > > disrespecting perspectives.
From a whole systems approach, politicians > > and corporations have
contributed to the cycle. > >And so have/do citizens, by being
passive and/or seeing themselves as >victims. > Blaming is
an enabling behavior for passivity and victimhood, regardless
>of >who's doing it. > >Ghandi didn't catalyze the
British departure from colonial power in India >by >blaming or
being a victim. He was a pacifist, but not a passivist. >The
masses of people who joined him didn't get what they wanted by
sitting >around whinging and moaning about how badly they were being
treated. They >designed, and they took action on their own
behalf. > >It appears that not enough of "us" are willing to do
that at present, so >the >existing systems continue for
now. > > > ...they afflict attitudes through policy,
disrespecting > > people as workers and through disrespecting
communities that work to > > protect themselves from its polluting
corporate members. > >They may diss me, but that doesn't mean I
have to diss myself. >There *is* a lack of training available in not
dissing oneself, however. >We >tend to teach the opposite
(dissing oneself, that is) in our culture - and >we >also focus
heavily on teaching dissing others. > > > Sending jobs
overseas, fast track, NAFTA, etc., doesn't help communities > > and
that sure was the work of politicians and corporations. I think
you > > ignore the big picture! Whole communities haven fallen
apart and the > > next thing we have are the oppressed/depressed
people left behind. How > > do you think they feel? I'm
not excusing the poor acts of individuals, > > though it may sound
that way, I want to point out that the only thing > > that has been
trickling down from many a failed economic rationale is > > want and
anger. > > > > I cannot believe what I have learned reading
up on US farm history and > > the breaking of the small farmer at the
hands of the corporate > > agribusiness/central banks for political
reasons as well as monetary > > gain; just look at all those
interlocking directorates. It still occurs > >
today! > > > >John Schinnerer - MA, Whole Systems
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